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2024 Mar 24 19:07:11
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ 😌

2024 Mar 24 14:13:29
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 24 06:25:25
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha by following the conducts of the Arahats.

2024 Mar 23 13:11:16
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_

2024 Mar 21 01:07:56
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Mar 21 00:28:58
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 20 14:25:49
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 20 12:06:29
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Mar 20 11:24:06
blazer: Good morning everyone  _/\_

2024 Mar 18 21:42:50
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 18 19:43:59
Dhammañāṇa: Mudita, Nyom.

2024 Mar 18 19:36:35
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Undertaking this Sila day at my best.

2024 Mar 18 06:17:10
Dhammañāṇa: Those who undertake the Sila day today: may it be of much metta.

2024 Mar 18 02:16:41
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 17 21:09:31
អរិយវង្ស: 🚬🚬🚬

2024 Mar 17 06:30:53
Dhammañāṇa: Metta-full Sila day, those after it today.

2024 Mar 17 00:02:34
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 11 09:16:04
Dhammañāṇa: Once totally caught by google, AI and machines, every door has been closed for long, long term.

2024 Mar 11 09:14:04
Dhammañāṇa: People at large just wait that another would do his/her duty. Once a slight door to run back, they are gone. By going again just for debts, the wheel of running away turns on.

2024 Mar 10 18:59:10
Dhammañāṇa: Less are those who don't use the higher Dhamma not for defilement-defence, less those who don't throw the basics away and turn back to sensuality "with ease".

2024 Mar 10 06:51:11
Dhammañāṇa: A auspicious new-moon Uposatha for those observing it today.

2024 Mar 09 06:34:39
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed New-moon Uposatha, and birth reminder day of a monarchy of wonders.

2024 Mar 08 21:39:54
Dhammañāṇa: The best way to keep an Ashram silent is to put always duties and Sila high. If wishing it populated, put meditation (eating) on the first place.

2024 Mar 03 21:27:27
Dhammañāṇa: May those undertaking the Sila day today, spend it off in best ways, similar those who go after the days purpose tomorrow.

2024 Feb 25 22:10:33
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 24 06:42:35
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Māgha Pūjā and Full moon Uposatha with much reason for good recallings of goodness.

2024 Feb 24 01:50:55
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 23 06:39:57
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Feb 23 00:19:58
blazer: Taken flu again... at least leg pain has been better managed since many weeks and it's the greatest benefit. Hope Bhante Dhammañāṇa is fine  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 01:06:43
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 00:02:37
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 17 18:47:31
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of todays Sila-day.

2024 Feb 17 18:46:59
Dhammañāṇa: Chau Marco, chau...

2024 Feb 16 23:32:59
blazer: Just ended important burocratic and medical stuff. I will check for a flight for Cambodia soon  _/\_

2024 Feb 09 16:08:32
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 12:17:31
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 06:42:17
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed New moon Uposatha and last day of the Chinese year of the rabbit, entering the Year of the Naga wisely.

2024 Feb 02 21:17:28
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 02 19:53:28
Dhammañāṇa: May all have the possibility to spend a pleasing rest of Sila day, having given goodness and spend a faultless day.

2024 Jan 26 14:40:25
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 25 10:02:46
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Full moon Uposatha.

2024 Jan 11 06:37:21
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 07 06:31:20
Dhammañāṇa: May many, by skilful deeds,  go for real and lasting independence today

2024 Jan 06 18:00:36
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 16:57:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 12:33:08
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila-day, full of metta in thoughts, speech and deeds.

2023 Dec 30 20:21:07
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 27 23:18:38
Dhammañāṇa: May the rest of a bright full moon Uposatha serve many as a blessed day of good deeds.

2023 Dec 26 23:12:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 24 16:52:50
Dhammañāṇa: May all who celebrated the birth of their prophet, declaring them his ideas of reaching the Brahma realm, spend peaceful days with family and reflect the goodness near around them, virtuous, generously.

2023 Dec 20 21:36:37
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 20 06:54:09
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by conducting in peacefull manners.

2023 Dec 12 23:45:24
blazer:  _/\_

2023 Dec 12 20:34:26
Dhammañāṇa: choice, yes  :)

2023 Dec 12 13:23:35
blazer: If meaning freedom of choice i understand and agree

2023 Dec 12 12:48:42
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 12 06:13:23
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a great New Moon Uposatha, following the conducts of the Arahats.

2023 Dec 10 12:51:16
Dhammañāṇa: The more freedom of joice, the more troubled in regard of what's right, what's wrong. My person does not say that people at large are prepared for freedom of joice even a little.

2023 Dec 10 10:59:42
blazer: Hope they eat more mindfully than how they talk. It is clear for the gross food, we had more than a talk about this topic. I have put so much effort in mindful eating at the temple, but when i was back i wanted more refined food. I was used to get a choice of more than 10 dishes every day

2023 Dec 10 06:57:44
Dhammañāṇa: A person eating on unskilled thoughts will last defiled, Nyom. Gross food does nothing for purification at all.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:58
blazer: I've had a couple of not nice experiences with monks that were not so pure in my opinion. They surely eat far better than me at temple.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:41
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 09 11:38:36
Dhammañāṇa: Spiritual prostitution, just another way of livelihood.

2023 Dec 05 20:59:38
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 27 14:47:22
អរិយវង្ស:   _/\_ _/\__/\_

2023 Nov 27 05:41:32
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Anapanasati- Fullmoon and reflect the goodness of Ven Sāriputta as well today.

2023 Nov 20 19:18:13
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 20 18:20:15
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 20 02:48:24
Moritz: Hello _/\_ Still possible to join: An-other Journey into the East 2023/24

2023 Nov 18 13:55:11
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 12 01:09:01
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2023 Nov 12 00:45:21
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 19:42:10
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 07:17:02
Dhammañāṇa: សិលា​នាំ​ទៅ​រក​ឯករាជ្យ​នៃ​ជាតិ! សូមឱ្យមនុស្សជាច្រើនប្រារព្ធទិវាឯករាជ្យ(ពី)ជាតិ។

2023 Nov 09 07:06:56
Dhammañāṇa: Sila leads to independence of Jati! May many observe a conductive Independence day.

2023 Nov 07 00:54:02
Dhammañāṇa: Nyoum

2023 Nov 07 00:39:55
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 15:47:51
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 12:21:27
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila observation day today.

2023 Oct 30 15:17:36
Dhammañāṇa: It's common in to give up that what's given to do assist me toward release, common that seeking security in what binds.

2023 Oct 30 13:22:27
អរិយវង្ស: ព្រះអង្គ :) កូណាលុប delta chat ហើយ :D _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 23 18:56:09
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 22 20:36:01
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of this Sila-day.

2023 Oct 19 20:31:12
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom Sreyneang

2023 Oct 15 07:07:01
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 14 06:53:21
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a New moon Uposatha based on goodwill for all, find seclusion in the middle of family duties.

2023 Sep 29 07:35:30
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:23:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:03:11
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha and begin of the ancestor weeks by lived metta and virtue: lived gratitude toward all being, toward one self.

2023 Sep 22 22:07:43
Dhammañāṇa: If no rush turn toward reducing sensuality and make Silas the top of priority, it's to fear that an Atomic conflic will be chosen soon, in the battle of control of the "drugs".

2023 Sep 22 14:59:39
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 22 06:35:51
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Uposatha Observance on this Sila-day, by conducting similar the Arahats.

2023 Sep 16 19:29:27
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 16 19:29:13
blazer: Hello everyone! I've just come back home. I had a long trip and no sleep for more than 30 hours, but currently feel quite good. I've had a good experience, i'm happy. I've found out much inspiration and many ideas about the training and the holy life. I'll recollect and write about them as soon as i've taken some rest. Hope to find you all well and in good health  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 15 05:25:24
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 14 21:09:49
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of New moon Uposatha today (later as no connection before).

2023 Sep 10 01:55:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_?

2023 Sep 09 18:52:54
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 09 18:52:28
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 08 06:19:20
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by maintaining goodwill toward all, not only by deeds and speech, but with nine factors, incl. a mind full of metta.

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Beschimpfung - Insult
« on: October 30, 2015, 08:41:53 AM »

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Akkosa Sutta: Beschimpfung

Ich habe gehört, daß der Befreite zu einem Anlaß nahe Rajagaha, im Bambushain, der Eichhörnchenzufluchtstätte, verweilte. Dann hörte der Brahmane Akkosaka[1] Bharadvaja, daß ein Brahmane von Bharadvaja-Klan, aus dem Heim, in die Hauslosigkeit, in der Bezeugung des Befreiten, gezogen ist. Zornig und unerfreut, ging er zum Befreiten, und mit Ankunft, beschimpfte und verfluchte er ihn mit rauen und groben Worten.

Als dies gesagt war, sagte der Befreite zu ihm: "Was denkt Ihr, Brahmane: Kommen Freunde und Kollegen, Verwandte und Angehörige zu Euch als Gäste?"

"Ja, Meister Gotama, manchmal kommen Freunde und Kollegen, Verwandte und Angehörige, zu mir als Gäste."

"Und was denkt Ihr: Bedient Ihr diese mit Haupt- und Nebenspeise und Leckerbissen?"

"Ja, manchmal bediene ich sie mit Haupt- und Nebenspeise und Leckerbissen."

"Und wenn sie diese nicht annehmen, wem gehört dieses Essen?"

"Wenn sie es nicht annehmen, Meister Gotama, sind diese Speisen alle mein."

"In selber Weise, Brahmane, das, womit Ihr mich beschimpft habt, jenen der nicht beschimpft; das, womit Ihr mich herausgefordert habt, dem der nicht herausfordert; das, womit Ihr mir vorgeworfen habt, jenen der nicht vorwirft; das, womit Ihr Euch ausgeschimpft habt, jenen der nicht ausschimpft: Dieses nehme ich nicht von Euch an. Es ist alles Euer, Brahmane. Es ist alles Euer.

"Wer immer Beschimpfen an jenen zurück gibt, der beschimpft, Herausfordern, an jenen zurück gibt, der herausfordert, Vorwürfe an jenen zurück gibt, der vorwirft, Ausschimpfen zurück gibt, an jenen der ausschimpft, von dem wird gesagt, zusammen zu essen, Unternehmen mit dieser Person zu teilen. Aber ich esse weder, noch teile ich Unternehmen mit Euch, Brahmane. Es ist alles Euer. Es ist alles Euer."

"Der König, zusammen mit seinem Gericht, weiß von diesem Meister Gotama, 'Gotama, der Besinnliche, ist ein Arahat', und nun gerät der Meister Gotama immer noch zornig."
[2]

>[Der Buddha:]
Woher ist da Zorn,
von einem der von Zorn befreit,
   gezügelt,
   stimmig lebend —
einer durch rechtes Wissen befreit,
   ruhig
   und So.

Ihr macht Dinge schlechter,
wenn Ihr aufbraust,
gegenüber jemanden der im Zorn.
Wer immer nicht aufbraust,
gegenüber einem, der zornig ist,
   einen Kampf gewinnt
   schwer zu gewinnen.

Ihr lebt zum Guten von beiden,
   — Eurem eigenen, des anderen —
wenn, wissend des anderen Reiz,
   werdet Ihr achtsam ruhig.

Wenn ihr die Kur für beide tut,
   — für Euch, des anderen —
jene die denken, ein Narr ihr seit,
wissen nichts vom Dhamma.

Und als das gesagt war, sagte der Brahmane Akkosaka Bharadvaja zum Befreiten: "Hervorragend, Meister Gotama! Hervorragend! Gerade so als ob Er etwas hochgedreht hätte, was umgedreht war, freigelegt, was verdeckt war, den Weg einem der Verloren war, gezeigt hat, oder eine Lampe ins Dunkle getragen hätte, sodaß jene mit Augen, Form sehen könnten, in selber Weise, hat Meister Gotama, durch viele Zeilen der Begründung, das Dhamma klar gemacht. Ich nehme Zuflucht in den Buddha, in das Dhamma und zur Gemeinschaft der Mönche. Laßt mich das Fortziehen, in des Meister Gotamas Bezeugung, erhalten, laßt mich Einweisung erhalten."

Dann erhielt der Brahmane Akkosaka Bharadvaja das Fortziehen und die Einweisung in des Befreiten Bezeugung. Und nicht lange nach seiner Einweisung, alleine verweilend, zurückgezogen, gewissenhaft, begeistert und entschlossen, erreichte er nach nicht langer Zeit, das erhabene Ziel des Heiligen Lebens, für welches Stammesleute rechtens aus dem Heim in die Hauslosigkeit ziehen, wissend und verwirklicht für sich selbst, im Hier und Jetzt. Er weiß: "Geburt ist beendet, das heilige Leben vollbracht, die Aufgabe getan. Da ist nichts weiter zum Zwecke dieser Welt." Und so wurde der Ehrw. Bharadvaya ein weiterer der Arahats.
 1. = "Beschimpfer."
 2. Akkosaka denkt, daß der Buddha ihn verflucht, und ist deshalb verärgert, als Buddha eigentlich einfach im Einklang mit dem Kamma, den Umstand darstellt.

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Akkosa Sutta: Insult


I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was staying near Rajagaha in the Bamboo Grove, the Squirrels' Sanctuary. Then the brahman Akkosaka[3] Bharadvaja heard that a brahman of the Bharadvaja clan had gone forth from the home life into homelessness in the presence of the Blessed One. Angered & displeased, he went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, insulted & cursed him with rude, harsh words.

When this was said, the Blessed One said to him: "What do you think, brahman: Do friends & colleagues, relatives & kinsmen come to you as guests?"

"Yes, Master Gotama, sometimes friends & colleagues, relatives & kinsmen come to me as guests."

"And what do you think: Do you serve them with staple & non-staple foods & delicacies?"

"Yes, sometimes I serve them with staple & non-staple foods & delicacies."

"And if they don't accept them, to whom do those foods belong?"

"If they don't accept them, Master Gotama, those foods are all mine."

"In the same way, brahman, that with which you have insulted me, who is not insulting; that with which you have taunted me, who is not taunting; that with which you have berated me, who is not berating: that I don't accept from you. It's all yours, brahman. It's all yours.

"Whoever returns insult to one who is insulting, returns taunts to one who is taunting, returns a berating to one who is berating, is said to be eating together, sharing company, with that person. But I am neither eating together nor sharing your company, brahman. It's all yours. It's all yours."

"The king together with his court know this of Master Gotama — 'Gotama the contemplative is an arahant' — and yet still Master Gotama gets angry."
[4]

>[The Buddha:]
Whence is there anger
for one free from anger,
   tamed,
   living in tune —
one released through right knowing,
   calmed
   & Such.

You make things worse
when you flare up
at someone who's angry.
Whoever doesn't flare up
at someone who's angry
   wins a battle
   hard to win.

You live for the good of both
   — your own, the other's —
when, knowing the other's provoked,
   you mindfully grow calm.

When you work the cure of both
   — your own, the other's —
those who think you a fool
know nothing of Dhamma.

When this was said, the brahman Akkosaka Bharadvaja said to the Blessed One, "Magnificent, Master Gotama! Magnificent! Just as if he were to place upright what was overturned, to reveal what was hidden, to show the way to one who was lost, or to carry a lamp into the dark so that those with eyes could see forms, in the same way has Master Gotama — through many lines of reasoning — made the Dhamma clear. I go to the Blessed One for refuge, to the Dhamma, & to the community of monks. Let me obtain the going forth in Master Gotama's presence, let me obtain admission."

Then the brahman Akkosaka Bharadvaja received the going forth & the admission in the Blessed One's presence. And not long after his admission — dwelling alone, secluded, heedful, ardent, & resolute — he in no long time reached & remained in the supreme goal of the holy life, for which clansmen rightly go forth from home into homelessness, knowing & realizing it for himself in the here & now. He knew: "Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for the sake of this world." And so Ven. Bharadvaja became another one of the arahants.
 3. = "Insulter."
 4. Akkosaka thinks that the Buddha is cursing him — and thus angry — when actually the Buddha is simply stating a fact in line with the law of kamma.
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Victory Through What is Well Spoken - Sieg, durch das was gut gesprochen
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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Subhasita-jaya Sutta: Sieg, durch das was gut gesprochen

Zu einem Anlaß verweilte der Befreite nahe Savatthi, in Jetas Hain, Anathapindikas Kloster. Dort richtete er sich an die Bhikkhus: "Bhikkhus!"

"Ja, Herr", erwiderten die Bhikkhus.

Der Befreite sagte: "Einst zu vergangener Zeit, waren die Devas und Asuras[1] zum Kampf ausgerichtet. Da sagte Vepacitti, der Asura-König, zu Sakka, dem Deva-König: 'Laßt da Sieg, durch das was gut gesprochen, sein.'

"'Ja, Vepacitti, laßt da Sieg, durch das was gut gesprochen, sein.'

"So wählten die Devas und Asuras ein Gremium von Richtern ein [denkend]: 'Diese werden für uns entscheiden, was gut gesprochen und armselig gesprochen.'

"Dann sagte Vepacitti, der Asura-König, zu Sakka, dem Deva-König: 'Sprecht einen Vers, Deva-König!'

"Als das gesagt war, sagte Sakka, der Deva-König, zu Vepacitti, dem Arsura-König: 'Aber Ihr seit die ältere Gottheit hier, Vepacitti. Ihr sagt einen Vers.'

"Als dieses gesagt war, zitierte Vepacitti diesen Vers:

'Dumme würden selbst mehr aufbrausen
wenn da keine Einschränkung ist.
So eine Erleuchteter,
den Dummen sollte bändigen,
mit einem schweren Stock.'

"Als Vepacitti diese Vers gesagt hatte, applaudierten die Asuras, doch die Devas blieben still. So sagte Vepacitti zu Sakka: 'Sprecht einen Vers, Deva-König'

"Als dieses gesagt war, zitierte Sakka diesen Vers:


   'Dieses, denke ich,
ist die einzige Einschränkung für einen Dummen:
Wenn wissend, der anderen Herausforderung,
   achtsam wächst Ihr ruhig.'

"Als Sakka diesen Vers gesagt hatte, applaudierten die Devas, aber die Asuras blieben still. So sagte Sakka zu Vepacitti: 'Sprecht einen Vers, Vepacitti'

"Als dieses gesagt war, zitierte Vepacitti diesen Vers:

'Vasava,[2] ich sehe einen Fehler
in eben dieser Nachsicht:
Wenn der Dumme denkt,
   "Er sieht nach,
   aus Angst vor mir",
setzt der Idiot Euch selbst mehr nach,
so wie eine Kuh, jemandem der läuft davon.'

"Als Vepacitti diesen Vers gesagt hatte, applaudierten die Asuras, doch die Devas blieben still. So sagte Vepacitti zu Sakka: 'Spracht einen Vers, Deva-König!'

"Als dieses gesagt war, zitierte Sakka diesen Vers:

'Es spielt keine Rolle
ober er denkt
   "Er sieht nach,
   aus Angst vor mir."
Eines eigenen Güte
ist die höchste Güte.
   Nicht besseres
   als Geduld
   gefunden wird.

Wer immer, wenn stark,
   nachsichtig ist
gegenüber einem der schwach:
dieses die höchste Geduld ist.
Der Schwache stets ertragen muß.

Sie nennen das Stärke,
keine Stärke weit und breit:
   wessen Stärke
   die Stärke eines Narr.
Da ist keine Erwiderung
gegenüber einem der stark,
bewachend, bewacht von, Dhamma.

Ihr macht Dinge schlechter,
wenn Ihr aufbraust,
gegenüber jemanden der im Zorn.
Wer immer nicht aufbraust,
gegenüber einem, der zornig ist,
   einen Kampf gewinnt
   schwer zu gewinnen.

Ihr lebt zum Guten von beiden,
   — Eurem eigenen, des anderen —
wenn, wissend des anderen Reiz,
   werdet Ihr achtsam ruhig.
Wenn ihr die Kur für beide tut,
   — für Euch, des anderen —
jene die denken, ein Narr ihr seit,
wissen nichts vom Dhamma.

"Als Sakka diesen Vers gesagt hatte, applaudierten die Devas, aber die Asuras blieben still. Dann sagte der Devas und Asuras Gremium von Richtern: 'Die Verse, die von Vepacitti, dem Asura-König, gesagt wurden, liegen in der Sphäre von Schwertern und Waffen, somit Argumente, Streit und Hiebe. Wohingegen die Verse, gesprochen von Sakka, dem Deva-König, gesprochen wurden, außerhalb der Sphäre von Schwertern und Waffen liegen, somit keine Argumente, kein Streit und keine Hiebe. Der Sieg, durch das was gut gesprochen, geht an Sakka, den Deva-König.'

"Und das, Bhikkhu, ist wie der Sieg, durch das was gut gesprochen, an Sakka, den Deva-König, ging."
 1. Die Devas und Asuras waren zwei Gruppen von Gottheiten, die um die Kontrolle des Himmels kämpften (wie die Götter und Titanen in der griechischen Mythologie). Die Devas gewannen letztlich. Die Asuras, bekannt für deren stechenden Zorn, wurden später als Zornige-Dämonen klassifiziert, und werden in manchen buddhistischen Kosmologien, als eine Klasse von Wesen, niedriger als die Menschen, eingeteilt.
 2. Vasava — "Machtvoll" — ist einer von Sakkas Beinamen.

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Subhasita-jaya Sutta: Victory Through What is Well Spoken

On one occasion the Blessed One was staying near Savatthi at Jeta's Grove, Anathapindika's monastery. There he addressed the monks, "Monks!"

"Yes, lord," the monks responded.

The Blessed One said, "Once in the past the devas & asuras[3] were arrayed for battle. Then Vepacitti the asura-king said to Sakka the deva-king: 'Let there be victory through what is well spoken.'

"'Yes, Vepacitti, let there be victory through what is well spoken.'

"So the devas & asuras appointed a panel of judges, [thinking,] 'These will decide for us what is well spoken & poorly spoken.'

"Then Vepacitti the asura-king said to Sakka the deva-king, 'Say a verse, deva-king!'

"When this was said, Sakka the deva-king said to Vepacitti the asura-king, 'But you are the senior deity here, Vepacitti. You say a verse.'

"When this was said, Vepacitti recited this verse:

'Fools would flare up even more
if there were no constraints.
Thus an enlightened one
should restrain the fool
with a heavy stick.'

"When Vepacitti had said this verse, the asuras applauded but the devas were silent. So Vepacitti said to Sakka, 'Say a verse, deva-king!'

"When this was said, Sakka recited this verse:

   'This, I think,
is the only constraint for a fool:
When, knowing the other's provoked,
   you mindfully grow calm.'

"When Sakka had said this verse, the devas applauded but the asuras were silent. So Sakka said to Vepacitti, 'Say a verse, Vepacitti!'

"When this was said, Vepacitti recited this verse:

'Vasava,[4] I see a fault
in this very forbearance:
When the fool thinks,
   "He's forbearing
   out of fear of me,"
the idiot pursues you even more —
as a cow, someone who runs away.'

"When Vepacitti had said this verse, the asuras applauded but the devas were silent. So Vepacitti said to Sakka, 'Say a verse, deva-king!'

"When this was said, Sakka recited this verse:

'It doesn't matter
whether he thinks,
   "He's forbearing
   out of fear of me."
One's own true good
is the foremost good.
   Nothing better
   than patience
   is found.

Whoever, when strong,
   is forbearing
to one who is weak:
that's the foremost patience.
The weak must constantly endure.

They call that strength
no strength at all:
   whoever's strength
   is the strength of a fool.
There's no reproach
for one who is strong,
guarding — guarded by — Dhamma.

You make things worse
when you flare up
at someone who's angry.
Whoever doesn't flare up
at someone who's angry
   wins a battle
   hard to win.

You live for the good of both
   — your own, the other's —
when, knowing the other's provoked,
   you mindfully grow calm.
When you work the cure of both
   — your own, the other's —
those who think you a fool
know nothing of Dhamma.'

"When Sakka had said this verse, the devas applauded but the asuras were silent. Then the deva & asura panel of judges said, 'The verses said by Vepacitti the asura-king lie in the sphere of swords & weapons — thence arguments, quarrels, & strife. Whereas the verses said by Sakka the deva-king lies outside the sphere of swords & weapons — thence no arguments, no quarrels, no strife. The victory through what is well spoken goes to Sakka the deva-king.'

"And that, monks, is how the victory through what was well spoken went to Sakka the deva-king."
 3. The devas & asuras were two groups of deities who fought for control of heaven (like the gods & titans in Greek mythology). The devas eventually won. The asuras, known for their fierce anger, later became classed as angry demons and, in some Buddhist cosmologies, are regarded as a class of being lower than human.
 4. Vasava — "Powerful" — is one of Sakka's epithets.
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