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Title: Fear a valid reason to abstain from proper deeds?
Post by: Danilo on February 15, 2020, 10:34:23 PM

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This seems similar (to a certain degree) to the hypothetical situation presented in the question "Sacrificing myself…or not?" (https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/questions/35522/sacrificing-myself-or-not).
Since there may be a risk of infection for those whom accepted the request, this wouldn't goes against the Buddha guidelines to "do not undertake actions which would bring misfortune/harm to oneself or to others"? 
Title: Re: Fear a valid reason to abstain from proper deeds?
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on February 15, 2020, 11:08:03 PM
That argument, Nyom Danilo , is actually based on hypothetical ideas and assumings, selfish, greedy, discriminate based on bias and daily mood. As for the sample of origin it turned out that no case of illness on corona was on board.

It's certain a very western/uninstructed argumentation to justify akusala action on assuming and fear. That's not at all the way kusal could ever work. There are four roots of wrong doing: greed, aversin, ignorance and fear.

How can one reject help and send refugees away? That's totally wrong and does not fit to proper seasons for generosity.

Maybe Nyom likes to investigate the reasons of his thinking as well why such an reaction when invited to rejoice with good deeds and occation to feel sympatic joy also for the gifted gains?

It's somehow like strange press which seeks also for critical argument, driving all back to seek for hunt after Chinese... certain envy, and aversion, or?

Don't harm oneself at least means not to destroy ones own goodness, act so that precepts and duties are violated.

It happens often in non-dhammic areas, that even special beggars are rejected out of fear.

How does the believe arises that the Buddha warned of being generouse if fearing what ever lose?

It's pretty known that such ways of thinking lead even to kinds of racism on so called rational arguments: black people are drug dealer, so we reject them. Or things like deportation of imperfect.

(One, for the most, doesn't dwell under people with right view and good assosiation if on places like BSE).
Title: Re: Fear a valid reason to abstain from proper deeds?
Post by: Danilo on February 16, 2020, 02:19:29 AM
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It's somehow like strange press which seeks also for critical argument, driving all back to seek for hunt after Chinese... certain envy, and aversion, or?

I didn't mean to criticise, it was a sincere question.
The reason to mention the question in BSE it was to make clear from where my doubt came from.
Title: Re: Fear a valid reason to abstain from proper deeds?
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on February 16, 2020, 05:51:45 AM
There aren't generouse organd virtuous people around on usual Dhamma-discussion platt-forms. There are just doubters, and those defending their bad habits with the Dhamma. Especially when they are "meditators" and Vipassana-students...

As far as observed are "fear of hurting other" or "fear of hurting oneself" the most used arguments of defilements, at least public declarations to excuse non-giving Nyom Danilo .

Often it's desire for controll . "He would use it to buy alcohol", "I could get infected".
Giving is objected to outwardly directed objectives for modern, western mind: what's the overall benefit, gain for all. Seldom just giving wins over rationalisation. One sees holding on and gain the reason to give.

Or think on many people that wouldn't give because the potenzial receiver could gain it by oneself.
Title: Re: Fear a valid reason to abstain from proper deeds?
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on February 24, 2020, 09:45:07 AM
Not only that one never should miss any of the proper times of giviing, one is more then wise to stay away, keep distance, from people disregard generosity, especially at proper times.

There is no bliss and no long time happiness in association with people who criticize such generosity, a sure fall down it acting in such way toward more then ordinary acting leaders and Kings.

How dear must one be, how shameless, if at first subjecting a bad intention of humanitarian actions ad generosity, help. It's like if one has an army of firefighters in front of a burning house but does not let them their job, saying "We could lose our possession if we help", and right next a poor, by own effort and some water, makes the foolish situation an end, turns it out. Nothing as rightous shame of crave wrong doings, might lead fools on to try to make excellent to excrement, and are sure to fall even deeper into the mudd of left over, nobody would take on anymore.

It's sometimes really like unbelievable how dear and envy, greedy and full of aversion, unwise try to not lose the sureface with wrong means...