Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 07, 2020, 10:06:09 AM
Aramika 
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Beware of Devadatta and his host, Upasaka karl_lew . Not only today he and his following tried to win favor for gain by similar means, yet not dear to kill, kill even Arahats, take existance. Take care, there are many out there no more possible to grow in Dhamma.
It's not by food that beings purify themselfs and "good food promoter" had been often most harmful people in history.
Also, may he not forget that the taking of equipment, desire for it, energy... often actually cause more harm globally. If generosity isn't based on Silas, it makes all just more worse, like scientific shows well all over the world. As long as there is desire for the world (senses) all "good" turns out bad act-ually.
Why is that? Because it's all based on wrong view.
Post by: karl_lew on January 08, 2020, 12:45:49 AM
I see that feeding monks in the west is a problem because of lack of generosity. The west is obsessed with gain, with money. And in the west it is common to support monastics with money. Yet what is missing is that human daily dana of food to sustain a living being.
That is why we may need to learn how to grow and give food in the west. We need to step away from the money cycle.
It is hard to grow in soil. It is easy to grow in hydroponics. We don't need fancy electronics. If the sun is weak or the air is cold, then we can grow inside with a simple light. And then we can share that food with others and with monastics. We can give food and start the cycle of giving for Dhamma.
I do not see what that has to do with Devadatta.
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 08, 2020, 07:37:22 AM
Modern people are caught by the defilemts who argue "if not perfect" better not. So they let starve others on hypocratical opinions.
What that has to do with Devadatta? He uses such outwardly perfecter looking arguments to disregard right practicing people. "Monks should not eat meat" for example.
It's total nonsens to think, when "feeding" monks, on "super-clean-vegan" or other hypocritical ideas.
If the idea of "we need to feed monks" is already beside the use. People have, if wise, changes to do merits if meeting monks and that could be done even by not good obtained things. But as soon as a idea of organicing food for monks arises, what ever will be akusala fast.
The host of Sujato and his Kibbutz is therefore to be feared, since all they are after is honor and gain in the world.
So again. Good livelihood is one topic. Giving another. If monks and laypeople organice communities an livelihood together is just uge corruption.
Monks have bowls and feets so that nobody is burdended or even arrives on justifying common way and actions which bind to the world.
People at large seek always reasons to stay bond in the chain of worldly food, oldage, sickness and death.
Upanissaya with higher isn't gained by matters of gross food Nyom, no matter which kind and purification not reached by food.
But my person thinks that it's good to splitt the topic a little, since it already has becomed a matter of path.
Mudita
Post by: karl_lew on January 09, 2020, 04:43:29 AM
Bitte entschuldigen Sie, wenn ich die falsche Sprache gewählt habe. Der Buddha hat mich gelehrt zu geben.
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 09, 2020, 05:54:04 AM
Da is kein Geschenk größer, als das Geschick des Gebens zu erhalten, zu lernen, Nyom karl_lew , ganz egal was man zu geben und loslassen vermag.
Und geben fördert Bande. Deshalb nennt man es Geschick für einen Weg den man bestrebt.
There isn't any gift greater then to receive and learn the skill of giving, no matter of what one would be able to give or let go.
And giving increases bonds. Therefore it's called a skill for a way of which on desires for.
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa
Kaladana Sutta
"There are these five seasonable gifts. Which five? One gives to a newcomer. One gives to one going away. One gives to one who is ill. One gives in time of famine. One sets the first fruits of field & orchard in front of those who are virtuous. These are the five seasonable gifts."
In the proper season they give —
those with discernment,
responsive, free from stinginess.
Having been given in proper season,
with hearts inspired by the Noble Ones
— straightened, Such —
their offering bears an abundance.
Those who rejoice in that gift
or give assistance,
they, too, have a share of the merit,
and the offering isn't depleted by that.
So, with an unhesitant mind,
one should give where the gift bears great fruit.
Merit is what establishes
living beings in the next life.
"Da sind diese fünf wohlangebrachten Geschenke. Welche fünf? Jemand gibt einem Neuankommenden. Jemand gibt einem Abschiednehmenden. Jemand gibt einem der krank ist. Jemand gibt in Zeiten von Hungersnot. Jemand legt die ersten Füchte der Felder und Obstgärten vor jene, die tugendhaft sind hin. Das sind die fünf wohlangebrachten Geschenke."
Zur rechten Zeit geben sie —
jene mit Einsicht,
offenherzig, frei von Knausrigkeit.
Zur rechten Zeit gegeben,
mit einem Herz inspirirt von noblen Leut’
— gerichtet, So —
tragen ihre Gaben Reichhaltigkeit.
Jene die Mitfreud mit so einem Geschenk
oder dabei Hilfe erweisen,
auch diese haben Anteil an dem Verdienst,
und ist die Gabe damit nicht ausgelaugt.
So sollte man mit unzögerlichem Geist geben,
dort wo es große Früchte trägt.
Verdienste sind es die Lebewesen
in ihrer nächsten Existenz etablieren.
/me : What ever language Nyom likes to give. No demands, no limits.
Post by: karl_lew on January 09, 2020, 06:29:09 AM
Dann habe ich vielleicht falsch verstanden. Welches Geschenk der Hydrokultur könnte man den Mönchen machen? Ich habe selbst von YouTube und FaceBook gelernt.
Es macht für mich keinen Sinn, das bereits Gelieferte zu wiederholen.
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 09, 2020, 06:48:59 AM
Dann habe ich vielleicht falsch verstanden. Welches Geschenk der Hydrokultur könnte man den Mönchen machen? Ich habe selbst von YouTube und FaceBook gelernt.
Es macht für mich keinen Sinn, das bereits Gelieferte zu wiederholen.
Das Geschenk von Tugend, ist ein Geschenk, welches Upanissaya mit Devas, Götter, der Savaka Sangha und deren hingabevollen Nachfolgen nährt.
Gibt einer bewußt, was einem gehört und rechtens erlangt, was immer für Dinge, Talente, eben basierend auf dieser Tugend, auch dieses nährt Upanissaya gegenüber Tugendhaften und Ungebundenheit.
Weder nehmen diese in Wegen die üblich sein mögen, noch streben diese sich in Gemeinen einzubringen.
Selbst wenn da einer nichts eigenes zu geben hat, so ist es das Geschenk der Tugend welches gute Bande nährt, Nyom karl_lew .
Wer würde, wenn er weiß, tugendhafte einladen sich an Niedriges zu binden, oder gar ermutigen zu nehmen was nicht gegeben ist.
Leute die meinen, daß es um Produkt, Produktivität geht, sie alle, Austausch mit jenen falscher Sichweise getan, vermögen dieser angehäuften Schuld nicht entrinnen, stark sind sie an Mara gebunden, die Elternlosen Kinder des Marxismus, Sklaven des Bezugs.
Zu unpassender Zeit gegeben, genommen, gebunden im Kreislauf der Welt.
Post by: karl_lew on January 09, 2020, 09:07:30 AM
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 09, 2020, 09:34:37 AM
Atma mag ihm, wenn es es annehmen möchte, 3 Dinge zum Verständnis geben.
Zum ersten ein kleiner Aufsatz: Geben, nehmen und die "neue" Welt "Arbeit macht frei!?", ist ein Satz den man nicht mag. (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php/page,Arbeit-macht-frei.html)
Dann über Schulden: Debts, but to whom (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php/topic,7854.msg11301.html#msg11301)
Und dann ein Sutta warum viele an Brahma gebunden sind, und wie der Buddha Weg gibt sich von diesen Verwirrten Brahmas zu lösen: Die Brahma-Einladung (http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/mn/mn.049.than.html)
Der Buddha und dessen gute Schüler befreien Sklaven nicht, denn dieses wäre Diebstahl, doch zeigen sie, wenndiese es annehmen vermögen, wie sie dem Band mit Brahma, Devadatta, Mara entkommen könnten, wenn die Bürde darin erkennend.
Post by: karl_lew on January 09, 2020, 11:53:27 AM
Zum ersten: Daran ist nichts festzuhalten
Zum zweiten: Daran ist nichts festzuhalten
Zum dritten: Daran ist nichts festzuhalten
Alles, was geboren wird, stirbt.
Aufrichtige Entschuldigungen. Ich dachte, dass Informationen über die Hydrokultur benötigt würden. Wenn es Interesse gibt, habe ich dies vor langer Zeit gepostet. Hier wird nur Arbeit ohne Gewinnerwartung angeboten.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSxSccEdXWw&t=124s
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 09, 2020, 12:14:58 PM
Vielen Dank. Drei mal.
Zum ersten: Daran ist nichts festzuhalten
Zum zweiten: Daran ist nichts festzuhalten
Zum dritten: Daran ist nichts festzuhalten
Alles, was geboren wird, stirbt.
Leute, die solches aussprechen, und danach zu Tisch gehen, die Jains, nannte der Buddha Diebe, guter Haushälter karl_lew
Und es ist mehr als seltsam sich youtube und anderes als Zuflucht zu nehmen, und Hingabe in die Juwelen sogleich als "nichts woran man festhlten kann", zu bezeichnen: etwas zum Nachdenken über wo man eigentlich Zuflucht nimmt.
Gut, wenn guter Haushälter die Gelegenheit nimmt, hier Ansichten zu begradigen.
Was die Gabe betrifft, ist es gut, wenn er versteht, daß Mönche nicht an einem Tisch mit Laien essen, und sich auch tugendhafte Laien nicht in Abhängigkeit gewöhnlicher Konsumentenvereinigungen begeben.
Wenn er inspiriert is etwas den drei Juwelen zu widmen, der Sangha und deren vertrauensvollen Nachvoller, kann er das jederzeit tun.
http://accesstoinsight.eu/en/wiki/index ist zum Beispiel eine Möglichkeit.
/me : abseits vom mentalen. Was immer man in GNU, Commons und gewöhnliches gibt, hat man gesetzlich auch für Schechtes damit tun zu geben, stimmt akusala per Gesetz und Konfenzion zu.
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 10, 2020, 03:28:12 PM
Quote from: medias
Mark Zuckerberg reveals his love of hunting: Facebook CEO says animals taste better when you've killed them yourself in Facebook live video of his debate cook out
Mark Zuckerberg live streamed from his Palo Alto backyard on Sunday
Told viewers he was smoking a brisket and ribs to enjoy with the debate
Facebook founder says he enjoys grilling, hunting and racing as well
The billionaire said hunting is a good way to 'feel connected to nature'
The same works with known "Dhammic" places... Sujatos and co. some prefere killing people and Noble ones instead.
Is it the same "feeling connected with nature/world" when raising vegetable, Nyom karl_lew ?
This could then maybe the reason for such Upanissaya.
Post by: karl_lew on January 10, 2020, 11:32:05 PM
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa
And how is a religious donation purified by both the giver and the recipient? It’s when both the giver and the recipient are ethical, of good character.
Observing precepts while gardening is quite difficult. It is also necessary.
Am I a thief? Absolutely. For now, I aspire to be a petty thief, taking only as needed as little as I can. Eventually even that won't be needed and I will no longer be a thief.
/me : bb-code added
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 11, 2020, 06:04:28 AM
My person doesn't think that Nyom needs to farm to maintain a live (if that gets in conflict with Silas), and sure the right effort turns around right view, ...livelihood.
/me : Nyom may feel given to make what ever good use of the Dhamma on accesstoinsight.org or zugangzureinsicht.org to relay on personal given.
Does Nyom understand why it is possible that certain purification can be obtained by trading with Noble Ones, if not of grave wrong view, while trading with ordinary people bears less fruits?
Post by: karl_lew on January 11, 2020, 11:43:50 PM
The plants do answer. When I am a thief taking what I want, they taste angry and bitter. When I am gentle and caring, asking only for what I need, then I find the food taste sweeter, filled with joy. In this way, the garden is teaching me kindness.
There is no end to skillful means. Am I still a thief? Yes, but less so every day.
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 12, 2020, 12:20:07 AM
Who ever still takes on form, sound, smell, taste, touch and ideas, is still a thief, but in regard of the gross field of conducts within relations, there isn't anything to blame and serves well till even the second path and fruit, Nyom karl_lew .
May Nyom never hesitate to make use of accessable Caga- and Silanussati, and that of virtues equal the Devas.
No need to even think on rewards by taste, since the prepared base reaches far beyound.
Mudita
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 12, 2020, 09:57:11 AM
As to overcome then the higher fetters, in case practice accompanied with right view had led to the abounding of the lower, an older essay and the story of Ven. Maha Kassapa and his wife may be of use:
- Buddhismus und Ernährung (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get239)
- Maha Kassapa - Father of the Sangha (http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/lib/authors/hecker/wheel345_en.html)
the rest comes by it's own (on previous given causes): Ānisaṁsavaggo (http://accesstoinsight.eu/user/johann/work/uppa/sut/an/10/sut.an.10.v01.uppa)
Ānisaṁ, btw. is sadly not often used under modern "follower", like merits ( puñña)
Post by: karl_lew on January 13, 2020, 11:34:53 AM
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 13, 2020, 12:22:25 PM
Let us eat that we may serve others, opening our hearts into love, compassion, rejoicing and equanimity, and live without wishes, in this very life.That's very Christian, Brahma, isn't it?
If thinking, that way even the snake goes on.
Good to reflect the Son's flesh and try all pathrelevant to abound bonds in this world.
If eating for just that reason, practicing the Brahma Viharas, one is said to eat alms debtless. And it has the sideeffect that it serves all by such "selfishness" why in other turn it may be argued outside as superior but if investigated it turns out selfish and of no help over all. And what is the reason of wrong release? Wrong view.
When having observed Sila, generosity, even so, if still holding wrong view, it's because of this to fall downwardly, in areas where there are less chances to either make merits, choose livelihood, nor to grow in Dhamma. So it's wise to focus on right view in such an auspicious life.
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa
...Householder, of these ten enjoying sensuality and evident in the world, the one enjoying sensuality earning money righteously and considerately and with the money enjoying sensuality and sharing it with others doing merit, partaking it, not enslaved not bound not swooned, wisely seeing the danger and the escape from it is the chief, foremost and the noble. Householder, just as from a cow milk is begot, from milk curd, from curd butter, from butter ghee, from ghee the cream of ghee and the cream of ghee is the foremost. In the same manner, householder, of these ten enjoying sensuality and evident in the world, the one enjoying sensuality earning money righteously and considerately and with the money enjoying sensuality and sharing it with others doing merit, partaking it, not enslaved not bound not swooned, wisely seeing the danger and the escape from it, is the chief, foremost and the noble.
Imagining "Us", btw., already points to root.