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2024 Mar 18 21:42:50
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 18 19:43:59
Dhammañāṇa: Mudita, Nyom.

2024 Mar 18 19:36:35
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Undertaking this Sila day at my best.

2024 Mar 18 06:17:10
Dhammañāṇa: Those who undertake the Sila day today: may it be of much metta.

2024 Mar 18 02:16:41
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 17 21:09:31
អរិយវង្ស: 🚬🚬🚬

2024 Mar 17 06:30:53
Dhammañāṇa: Metta-full Sila day, those after it today.

2024 Mar 17 00:02:34
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 11 09:16:04
Dhammañāṇa: Once totally caught by google, AI and machines, every door has been closed for long, long term.

2024 Mar 11 09:14:04
Dhammañāṇa: People at large just wait that another would do his/her duty. Once a slight door to run back, they are gone. By going again just for debts, the wheel of running away turns on.

2024 Mar 10 18:59:10
Dhammañāṇa: Less are those who don't use the higher Dhamma not for defilement-defence, less those who don't throw the basics away and turn back to sensuality "with ease".

2024 Mar 10 06:51:11
Dhammañāṇa: A auspicious new-moon Uposatha for those observing it today.

2024 Mar 09 06:34:39
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed New-moon Uposatha, and birth reminder day of a monarchy of wonders.

2024 Mar 08 21:39:54
Dhammañāṇa: The best way to keep an Ashram silent is to put always duties and Sila high. If wishing it populated, put meditation (eating) on the first place.

2024 Mar 03 21:27:27
Dhammañāṇa: May those undertaking the Sila day today, spend it off in best ways, similar those who go after the days purpose tomorrow.

2024 Feb 25 22:10:33
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 24 06:42:35
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Māgha Pūjā and Full moon Uposatha with much reason for good recallings of goodness.

2024 Feb 24 01:50:55
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 23 06:39:57
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Feb 23 00:19:58
blazer: Taken flu again... at least leg pain has been better managed since many weeks and it's the greatest benefit. Hope Bhante Dhammañāṇa is fine  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 01:06:43
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 00:02:37
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 17 18:47:31
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of todays Sila-day.

2024 Feb 17 18:46:59
Dhammañāṇa: Chau Marco, chau...

2024 Feb 16 23:32:59
blazer: Just ended important burocratic and medical stuff. I will check for a flight for Cambodia soon  _/\_

2024 Feb 09 16:08:32
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 12:17:31
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 06:42:17
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed New moon Uposatha and last day of the Chinese year of the rabbit, entering the Year of the Naga wisely.

2024 Feb 02 21:17:28
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 02 19:53:28
Dhammañāṇa: May all have the possibility to spend a pleasing rest of Sila day, having given goodness and spend a faultless day.

2024 Jan 26 14:40:25
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 25 10:02:46
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Full moon Uposatha.

2024 Jan 11 06:37:21
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 07 06:31:20
Dhammañāṇa: May many, by skilful deeds,  go for real and lasting independence today

2024 Jan 06 18:00:36
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 16:57:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 12:33:08
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila-day, full of metta in thoughts, speech and deeds.

2023 Dec 30 20:21:07
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 27 23:18:38
Dhammañāṇa: May the rest of a bright full moon Uposatha serve many as a blessed day of good deeds.

2023 Dec 26 23:12:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 24 16:52:50
Dhammañāṇa: May all who celebrated the birth of their prophet, declaring them his ideas of reaching the Brahma realm, spend peaceful days with family and reflect the goodness near around them, virtuous, generously.

2023 Dec 20 21:36:37
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 20 06:54:09
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by conducting in peacefull manners.

2023 Dec 12 23:45:24
blazer:  _/\_

2023 Dec 12 20:34:26
Dhammañāṇa: choice, yes  :)

2023 Dec 12 13:23:35
blazer: If meaning freedom of choice i understand and agree

2023 Dec 12 12:48:42
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 12 06:13:23
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a great New Moon Uposatha, following the conducts of the Arahats.

2023 Dec 10 12:51:16
Dhammañāṇa: The more freedom of joice, the more troubled in regard of what's right, what's wrong. My person does not say that people at large are prepared for freedom of joice even a little.

2023 Dec 10 10:59:42
blazer: Hope they eat more mindfully than how they talk. It is clear for the gross food, we had more than a talk about this topic. I have put so much effort in mindful eating at the temple, but when i was back i wanted more refined food. I was used to get a choice of more than 10 dishes every day

2023 Dec 10 06:57:44
Dhammañāṇa: A person eating on unskilled thoughts will last defiled, Nyom. Gross food does nothing for purification at all.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:58
blazer: I've had a couple of not nice experiences with monks that were not so pure in my opinion. They surely eat far better than me at temple.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:41
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 09 11:38:36
Dhammañāṇa: Spiritual prostitution, just another way of livelihood.

2023 Dec 05 20:59:38
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 27 14:47:22
អរិយវង្ស:   _/\_ _/\__/\_

2023 Nov 27 05:41:32
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Anapanasati- Fullmoon and reflect the goodness of Ven Sāriputta as well today.

2023 Nov 20 19:18:13
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 20 18:20:15
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 20 02:48:24
Moritz: Hello _/\_ Still possible to join: An-other Journey into the East 2023/24

2023 Nov 18 13:55:11
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 12 01:09:01
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2023 Nov 12 00:45:21
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 19:42:10
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 07:17:02
Dhammañāṇa: សិលា​នាំ​ទៅ​រក​ឯករាជ្យ​នៃ​ជាតិ! សូមឱ្យមនុស្សជាច្រើនប្រារព្ធទិវាឯករាជ្យ(ពី)ជាតិ។

2023 Nov 09 07:06:56
Dhammañāṇa: Sila leads to independence of Jati! May many observe a conductive Independence day.

2023 Nov 07 00:54:02
Dhammañāṇa: Nyoum

2023 Nov 07 00:39:55
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 15:47:51
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 12:21:27
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila observation day today.

2023 Oct 30 15:17:36
Dhammañāṇa: It's common in to give up that what's given to do assist me toward release, common that seeking security in what binds.

2023 Oct 30 13:22:27
អរិយវង្ស: ព្រះអង្គ :) កូណាលុប delta chat ហើយ :D _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 23 18:56:09
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 22 20:36:01
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of this Sila-day.

2023 Oct 19 20:31:12
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom Sreyneang

2023 Oct 15 07:07:01
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 14 06:53:21
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a New moon Uposatha based on goodwill for all, find seclusion in the middle of family duties.

2023 Sep 29 07:35:30
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:23:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:03:11
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha and begin of the ancestor weeks by lived metta and virtue: lived gratitude toward all being, toward one self.

2023 Sep 22 22:07:43
Dhammañāṇa: If no rush turn toward reducing sensuality and make Silas the top of priority, it's to fear that an Atomic conflic will be chosen soon, in the battle of control of the "drugs".

2023 Sep 22 14:59:39
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 22 06:35:51
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Uposatha Observance on this Sila-day, by conducting similar the Arahats.

2023 Sep 16 19:29:27
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 16 19:29:13
blazer: Hello everyone! I've just come back home. I had a long trip and no sleep for more than 30 hours, but currently feel quite good. I've had a good experience, i'm happy. I've found out much inspiration and many ideas about the training and the holy life. I'll recollect and write about them as soon as i've taken some rest. Hope to find you all well and in good health  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 15 05:25:24
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 14 21:09:49
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of New moon Uposatha today (later as no connection before).

2023 Sep 10 01:55:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_?

2023 Sep 09 18:52:54
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 09 18:52:28
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 08 06:19:20
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by maintaining goodwill toward all, not only by deeds and speech, but with nine factors, incl. a mind full of metta.

2023 Sep 01 10:54:43
អរិយវង្ស: សាធុ សាធុ សាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 01 09:21:09
Dhammañāṇa:  “This verse was stated by earlier worthy ones, fully self-awakened:    Freedom from disease: the foremost good fortune. Unbinding: the foremost ease. The eightfold: the foremost of paths going to the Deathless, Secure.

2023 Sep 01 09:19:23
Dhammañāṇa: 'Ārogyaparamā lābhā nibbānaṃ paramaṃ sukhaṃ, Aṭṭhaṅgiko ca maggānaṃ khemaṃ amatagāmina'nti.   អារោគ្យបរមា លាភា និព្ពានំ បរមំ សុខំ អដ្ថងិកោ ច មគ្គានំ ខេមំ អមតគាមិន នតិ។  លាភទាំងឡាយ មានការមិនមានរោគ ដ៏ប្រសើរបំផុត ព្រះនិព្វាន ជាសុខដ៏ឧត្តម មគ្គប្រកបដោយអង្គ៨ ដ៏ក្សេមក្សាន្តជាងមគ្គទាំងឡាយ សម្រាប់ដំណើរ ទៅកាន់​ព្រះនិព្វាន ឈ្មោះអមតៈ។

2023 Aug 31 06:30:11
អរិយវង្ស: សាធុ សាធុ សាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Aug 31 06:08:15
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Fullmoon Uposatha, following the Arahats conducts.

2023 Aug 30 20:19:25
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2023 Aug 30 18:39:38
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Aug 24 19:56:43
Dhammañāṇa: Sadhu, Sadhu and mudita

2023 Aug 24 19:45:08
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Author Topic: Dealing with vegetal life in line with the Dhamma  (Read 346 times)

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Offline Danilo

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Dealing with vegetal life in line with the Dhamma
« on: March 21, 2020, 06:02:11 AM »
Bhante Johann, I saw that what was presented in the topic "Giving shelter, shadow, by own effort" is quite similar to the case of the monastic whom consented to clear the field to build huts, which I mentioned in "Homeless life under the Triple Jewels" . Isn't the action of get rid of the grass, akusala? Why Bhante, apparently, didn't see any problem in it?
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Re: Dealing with vegetal life in line with the Dhamma
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2020, 02:26:51 AM »
Maybe Nyom understood some wrong or Atmas bad english may have cause to this "desire to remove grass" and possible even "order or do it by oneself " would be seen as not akusala by my Person, Nyom Danilo . (Btw. hopefully not to unpleasing for Nyom, the late replay on his question).

The intention to harm and destry life is always akusala. The Idea of gras is not life strong wrong observation, the rejectiong of the perception of gras-devas, living in/on gras, is also wrong view. To even follow ones intent to destry life by word (signs) or body adds also the break of Sila of Asketics living on alms of the land and if the object faces death/destroying of it's, his live, a full transgression had been made.

Again:
- to harm plants is a break of a Vinaya rule
- to build something, having the intention to accept to destroy life, is a break of a Vinaya rule. (only is no harm is done by it, a monk is allowed to build himself what ever building)

Of cause it's not to be seen as fault if the intention to build comes from a non-Bhikkhu, or is build other where, otherwise by non-Bhikkhus.

There are times and occations when direct building by a Bhikkhu on a certain place is possible, like for example after a forest fire or a place cleared by others, on rocks, naked places... and things like if lay people desire to build or lead the way, where, how, when.. by themselves where a monks could particulary assist when question arise and say what is proper as "end-product" and encouragement to harmlessness.

Does this explain Nyom Danilo 's question and release doubt? Could my persons word be understood sufficiently? No need to shy to counterask or seek for release of doubt in regard of the ways of wise and those wishing to follow.
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Re: Dealing with vegetal life in line with the Dhamma
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2020, 03:20:48 AM »
Maybe to be more clear anyhow: "consented to clear" is not done by not giving an answer or order (to a certain place or how it is done).

"I want to give bamboo trees. Where should I plant them?" An answer "right here", pointing on a place where plants need to be distroyed and mark it, would would be very critical for a Bhikkhu. An answer: "this are is good" pointing on a larger area, is no problem. No "real" answer like: "where ever Nyom feels fine" not a little consents, agrement of destruction at all. Plants could be replanted to do not destroy or proper particular places chosen... similar with bildings.

Such as a comment by a Bhikkhu: "Oh, there are plants (gras)... (not possible to build for me), without the intent to move others to act for him for destruction, and a lay person, hearing that, thinks "what if I clear the are for the monk and cts on it (as another example), is also not even mental agree with destruction.

Yet, Vinaya, of cource is not something that protects of akusala kamma and when a Bhikkhu speaks in ways wish can not be seen as encouragement to destroy, such does not violate his precepts. So this "magic formulars" we had already talked about, the sublime Buddha gave, can be used of course, again, akusala".

To use the wrong words here in this regard, even if intention is kusala and no idea of approve of destruction behind, can break the formal Bhikkhu rules.

For example "I wish there would be no gras" in presents of lay people (incl. novices as well) while actually already have abound the idea of building ther because causing harm of plants, and people go on on that and clear the are, that would be a violation through not using the right words "magic formular" would be a kusala example that nevertheless violates the rules of behavior (speech) of the Bhikkhus.

Like to say "I wish this person would not exist..", for example. Can mean alot and general assumed as a "shout after someone, -what, to kill him while an other expression would not easy lead to such assuming.

So generally, if seeing a situatin where consenting of monks to destroy life could be possible asumed: such is not sure a break of his rules unless not heared his words (coursed others to destruct by taking on them) and not sure akusala even if heared "wrong words". Neither his perception of living being, nor his actual intention, nor his possible approves, disapproves, can be seen by others.

Again. Evenvery good monks happen to do wrong according the convention of the Vinaya and to still akusala actions by thoughts, speech... till reaching the state of Arahatshipp. And even an Arahat could violate the Vinaya-rules, not knowing a particalar convention of deeds by speech and body.

So easy for an uninstructed lay person, even not knowing all, to assume even an Arahat to consents, approves, the destruction of plante life.

Lay people know that Noble Ones do not destro or harm plant-life, even a seed. Lay people know possible that a particular formular lies in the convetion of by the Buddha allowed way of speech speaking on others then Dhamma.
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Re: Dealing with vegetal life in line with the Dhamma
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2020, 10:24:59 AM »
Good to see that Bhante is doing well.  _/\_

I did grasp nearly all in the posts regarding the matter of vegetal life, Bhante. But the following point is the reason I rose this question and I still didn't understand.

this "desire to remove grass" and possible even "order or do it by oneself " would be seen as not akusala by my Person,

When the grass is uprooted, it doesn't dies? I don't understand why this is not akusala.

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Re: Dealing with vegetal life in line with the Dhamma
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2020, 11:27:12 AM »
Nyom Danilo . Harming and destruction of living beings: approve of it, joy with it (mental) encouraging to it, giving sign, order, speak to move others to (verbal); doing it bodily by oneself, all of that is akusala.

So maybe just bad spoken or misunderstood. A bad to understand sentence, cuting "cause to" away. This idea, such would be not akusala, is wrong. What ever intentional destruction of what is know, recogniced as living being, is wrong. The Buddha therefore, and his instructed disciples therefore abstain from harm and destruction of seeds, plants, what ever is perceiveable as living.
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Re: Dealing with vegetal life in line with the Dhamma
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2020, 05:01:41 AM »
Then, is correct to assume that what was done in the "Giving shelter, shadow, by own effort" topic were dark kamma (uprooting the grass) along with bright kamma (build/giving shelter)?

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Re: Dealing with vegetal life in line with the Dhamma
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2020, 06:34:06 PM »
That is something one can hardly see without knowing mind of others. As far as seen, no. Maybe some mixed, being taught by monks (as usual), plants to cut does not matter for no-Bhikkhus. In how far the merit maker might have been aware of animals in the soil, and in this case (4 month no rain), very, very less, is another. As for the young man, as well the young girl, Nyom can be sure that pure white kamma was long time present. But may Nyom ask them personally to be more sure.

As for Sila, to self-honest check, if later remorse arises, the are some factors helpful when right used. Intention/acceptance to kill, object much be (perceived) as alive, one puts an effort and acts (by word/sign or body), the being finds death on it. If a factor misses, there is no break. As for kamma it incl. mind where only intention or acceptance is enought for the kamma of killing.

So how many factors are sure for Nyom Danilo here?

As for the involvement of Bhante... my person did not observed, not a fan of risky liking to assist. Usually monks are taught, by certain commentaries, to be not so shy in this regard. Maybe Nyom Cheav Villa can ask Bhante Indannano personally, that there is Upasaka Danilo from Brazil, who thinks the act of merits (planting bamboo, and assist) was dark kamma, and possible the assistance of Bhante a break of precepts.

Again: So how many factors are sure for Nyom Danilo here?

But much importand here, and even since a longer such could be the case (maybe used to "over-critical" and perfection outward seeking), Nyom would make a lot of bad kamma (best black and white, if on "fighue out for a good) because he might focuses on finding faults and leaves out oppotunities, since some time still, to use share of merits (first) for rejoice on it (what can be perceived as such, at least verbal), to giving always the good parts first line. That would help him more, or to train speech to relativat issues, at least (so not to, maybe "hurt" unrightly). May Nyom investigate that deeply, and keep in mind that if discreditate improper a Noble fellow, that such block his own further walk on as well, as urge to such "good mind keeping).

Maybe he likes to take part here a little as well, some a little guided and documented at the Ashram Thmo Duk , since very practical on topic here. Maybe Atma can give a talk on it as well the next days.

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Re: Dealing with vegetal life in line with the Dhamma
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2020, 06:40:14 AM »
With plants it's actually the same like with everything else: with uphold metta, right view. What ever isn't based on it, if good, just a "pointless" ritual, not open up deep to the source, root of suffering, Nyom Danilo .

One turns from usuall wrong view:

There is the case where a certain person is covetous. He covets the belongings of others, thinking, 'O, that what belongs to others would be mine!' He bears ill will, corrupt in the resolves of his heart: 'May these beings be killed or cut apart or crushed or destroyed, or may they not exist at all!' He has wrong view, is warped in the way he sees things: 'There is nothing given, nothing offered, nothing sacrificed. There is no fruit or result of good or bad actions. There is no this world, no next world, no mother, no father, no spontaneously reborn beings; no brahmans or contemplatives who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the next after having directly known & realized it for themselves.' This is how one is made impure in three ways by mental action.


to right view, metta:

There is the case where a certain person is not covetous. He does not covet the belongings of others, thinking, 'O, that what belongs to others would be mine!' He bears no ill will and is not corrupt in the resolves of his heart. [He thinks,] 'May these beings be free from animosity, free from oppression, free from trouble, and may they look after themselves with ease!' He has right view and is not warped in the way he sees things: 'There is what is given, what is offered, what is sacrificed. There are fruits & results of good & bad actions. There is this world & the next world. There is mother & father. There are spontaneously reborn beings; there are brahmans & contemplatives who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the next after having directly known & realized it for themselves.' This is how one is made pure in three ways by mental action.

Cunda Kammaraputta Sutta: To Cunda the Silversmith


With uphold right view, with metta for all incl. first for oneself, one isn't able to act harmful toward other life knowingly, does not act harmful.
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