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Open monastery, laity practice area- [Öffentliches Kloster, Laienpraxisbereich] (vata assama) => Workplace for good condition - [Arbeitsplatz für gute Bedingungen] pāramī => Topic started by: Dhammañāṇa on December 30, 2019, 10:53:58 AM

Title: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on December 30, 2019, 10:53:58 AM
Since Nyom Chanroth currently intensively experiments in planting without soil and also less water, and he rejoices much in that, Atma thought to start to share ideas on it.

General name: Hydroponics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroponics)

It would not need much place, if land than simply do some larger basins (1x3-6m), maybe 20-30 cm deep/high out of bricks and cement, or simple table-basins if having a classical flat roof are in Cambodia. In the middle of the city, as children love planting: having a flat roof Nyom Cheav Villa ?

He had started in small boxes with water-spinach and they are growing fine.

One does not need to harm and kill animals in the soil, needs less dung, can be made from bio-material, does not need to spray poison, less to no vermin, very hygienically, no fight on land and destruction on vegetation and forest, no machines needed... no heavy and painful work, very less use of water, even to an extreme less amount, possible to do even in the city (public water might contain chloride which kills, needs to be stored a while till gone, or rain water.
Not much danger through heat and lack of rain.

And all can actually build from cheap and recycled material, no expensive material required if used to Khmer smart use of what others throw away.

Feel free and invited to support each other in kind of livelihood and food gain that is proper for Lay people.

My person heard that fruits and plants raised such are of high quality and sold 5 times higher in luxury markets. Not that it should cause greed, but to see that the quality and Sila counts for good livelihood.

It should be not seen as an alternative to escape suffering in wandering on, but as the foundation, Sila, to gain higher and follow the path for escape from birth sickness and death even as someone bound to farming for a livelihood.

Sila lead to wealth, happiness and even Nibbana!

See also "Project" at Ashram Thmo Duk (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php/topic,2375.msg21291.html#msg21291).
Title: Re: Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on December 30, 2019, 10:59:23 AM
If a little professional and wishing to point other Dhammika into good direction, there are 4000 monasteries in Cambodia, where even monks, today at large lead lay people and Novices to break precepts when encouraging them to plant. If they would receive 1. the seriousity of Silas and 2. way to follow, knowledge, the monasteries lay man way could be a leading sample for many, even the whole country, to reduce a lot of conflicts out of fight over land, destruction and harming of animals, environment, traffic, deforestation, globalization, global warming... and over all it might turn out that modern usual industry and machine agriculture is actually totally ineffective in regard of costs as well, leaving the fellow living beings and nature recover again.

My person wouldn't wonder if not even planting rice in this way would be possible in a whole year process on small area next ones house.
Title: Re: Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on December 30, 2019, 11:55:03 AM
Smaller or larger basin, even just lose lay bricks and a foil, a net of wearing sticks and egg trays (used in plastic on mass in Cambodia) as carries of the small slabstock foam where to put the seem into and the plant grows in. A shadow net, and that's it. Land price, if not having access to recycling material, of high productivity estimated 1$/square meter. Production cost estimated 1$/100 square meter/year. 1 kg water spinach at luxury marked sold for 5$.
Title: Re: Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on December 30, 2019, 10:26:45 PM
Atma could reach out to a faithful pathfinder who he was reminded, a specialist in this section, yet possible not so familar with simple "real" life. Not sure if he might try to assist here and gain a lot of Upanissaya by it.
Title: Re: Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ
Post by: អរិយវង្ស on December 31, 2019, 07:42:33 AM
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Title: Re: Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on December 31, 2019, 09:48:25 AM
Nyom Villa,

Who ever has dept has troubles. By observing Silas first and work off ones debts step by step, one can overcome debts. Everyone choosing short cuts, thinking a little aside of Sila is ok, just increases his debts. So if one wishes to help, such can only be made by encouraging to Sila and to work, again and again. People at large think that they have earned that what they could take without having been given and so increase their debt twofold. Poorness has reason. Dependency and caught as well, Nyom. Children always need steady to be motivated, patiently, again and again. Every day one has to ask: Have you done the homework? Did you? Come, let do that and then we go... Villagers and most people aren't different. And when mother does not care and forgot some money on the table, or didn't ask, the money is gone and has been invested in some sense pleasure.
One should not underestimate the done work to let go of drunkard without Sila and wood thief to someone trying to maintain a good livelihood, yet still caught in Sensuality and unfree on all sides, still need approve and to be motivated.

Internet is a huge problem, because people think they can get all by their own, no need to depend on someone. But that wouldn't work either. They just increase dependency and debts toward the most worth people without knowing, thinking they are smart.

It's not smart to think a child is an equal partner, neither for oneself nor for the child. That's probably the main problem everywhere. The lose of understanding authority and to follow it.
Title: Re: Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ
Post by: អរិយវង្ស on December 31, 2019, 11:06:46 AM
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Title: Hydroponic
Post by: Chanroth on January 02, 2020, 08:49:23 AM

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Dieses neue Thema (bzw. diese/r Beitrag/e) wurde  aus abgetrennten Beiträgen, ursprünglich in ថថថ (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php?topic=9644.0), hinzugefügt. Für ev. ergänzende Informationen zur sehen Sie bitte das Ursprugsthema ein. Anumodana!
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ត្រកួនលើទឹក

waterconvolvulus over/on water

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Title: Re: Hydroponic
Post by: Chanroth on January 02, 2020, 08:50:38 AM
គ្រាប់សាឡាត

Salat seeds

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Title: Re: Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 02, 2020, 11:24:36 AM
Maybe Bhante Ariyadhammika likes to suggest similare undertaking at Vatta Sasanarakkha, as Chines nevertheless tend to Vegitarian food and as a general sample that the is no much need to take over and destoy habits of many other beings incl. the Devas.
Title: Re: Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ
Post by: Chanroth on January 03, 2020, 09:13:55 AM
ដាំក្នុងកេះស្នោ

Planted using (an old) foam trigger.

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Title: Re: Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ
Post by: Chanroth on January 03, 2020, 09:15:53 AM
ក្នុងទុយោ

(planting) in a pipe (fixed on the wall, using old coffee cups as holder).

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Title: Re: Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ
Post by: Chanroth on January 03, 2020, 09:17:23 AM
១២៣

usual way

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Title: Re: Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ
Post by: Chanroth on January 03, 2020, 09:37:54 AM
ដប កែវកាហ្វេ

(in) old (plastic) bottle and coffee cups

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Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 03, 2020, 12:23:01 PM
What about the simple Phnom Penh model?

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But use only PE and no PVC-plastic, since second has not only UV-problems but is also poisen (chloride).
Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 03, 2020, 12:35:10 PM
Or the salat-tree model for a roof forest:

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From cheap hobby, to children joy, till own fresh vegetable garden and bio-shop on the street.
Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 03, 2020, 01:00:51 PM
Or along the (monastery) fence...

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Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: អរិយវង្ស on January 03, 2020, 02:01:36 PM
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Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: karl_lew on January 03, 2020, 11:29:45 PM
Hello, I regularly grow food hydroponically for home use year around in California, USA. I grow tomatoes, cucumbers, broccoli, curry leaves and whatever I have room for. The method I use is Kratky, which requires no electricity. I originally experimented with aeroponics, but realized that Kratky would be far better suited to all regions of the world.

At its simplest, Kratky involves putting a plant in nutrient water so that the roots are submerged no more than about 20-40 mm in the nutrients. This shallow depth provides adequate oxygen for the roots and fosters rapid, healthy growth.

Plants grown in this way are thirsty and will consume 1-2 liters of nutrients daily. To minimize labor of nutrient replenishment for many plants, it is common to use float-valve reservoirs that maintain nutrient levels by gravity alone. In this manner, one need only fill the reservoirs as needed.  It is common, cheap and convenient to use 1/4" push-to-connect fittings with 1/4" drip irrigation tubing. The 1/4" push-to-connect fittings are commonly used for reverse osmosis installations and are directly useful for Kratky reservoir connections.  See https://smile.amazon.com/Malida-Connector-filters-purifiers-Reverse/dp/B019U87UQ4

Over the life of a plant, roots grow longer. Roots can drown or suffocate, so it is important to gradually lower nutrient levels over the life of a plant so that only the bottom 20-40 mm of the roots are immersed. Handling this is quite easy and simply involves raising the plant container every few weeks by about 20mm as root growth requires. Since nutrients are replenished to the float-valve reservoir level, the raised container nutrient levels will drop by the exact amount by which the containers are raised.

Although plants are commonly started in 3" netpots nested in 3" wide-mouth mason jars, root growth soon requires larger containers.  A convenient size for tomatoes is the 2-gallon HDPE black bucket. I use https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-9941BL/Pails/Plastic-Pail-2-Gallon-Black for each tomato plant. Although the buckets stand alone, they can be toppled by wind, so they do require additional support to prevent tipping over in a wind. A simple wood frame suffices.

Plants such as tomatoes require trellises. A simple tripod attached to each bucket suffices and twine can be used to tie up heavy branches. Other methods are certainly possible. I favor the tripods because I can pick up and move an entire plant by hand to sunnier or protected locations.

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/me : attachement reorganized. Nyom can make use of his personal area also for media if liking: http://accesstoinsight.eu/user/karl_lew/index

Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 04, 2020, 07:23:01 AM
Sadhu for shares, Upasaka karl_lew

Since certain language barrier. If Nyom has practical picutures, or movies, they are surely most helpfull. Nyom Chanroth just started by his own experimenticaly.

As understanding, Nyom uses a reservoirs/tank he daily fills, and let the water flow it's way.

As for Nyoms asking in the killer and thieves-forum, it's of course not really possible for monks making their  own food in this way, since harvest (killing of living things, even harming) isn't allowed, yet they often suggest lay people to dig and farm in common ways, also they often have no answer when farmer ask how they could keep precepts. To put a seed they had got from their food into such planting system, fill water... such wouldn't be that wrong, as well as to approve building and progress such plantings in the monastery. Other farmings on given land out of faith isn't really proper but very usuall.

The livelihhod of begging isn't only good that people get intouch with the gems, it also helps not to get the feeling of independency in regard of food. So it's just a layman good livelihood topic.

Nyom's idea of the news group: Sadhu https://m.facebook.com/groups/KratkyHydroponics/
Great way for householder to inform each other, althought on not so given resources. How ever, May Nyom be sure that monks keeping Vinaya can/could not make use of such as facebook, goolge, github...

Good if many try to develop here the Khmer methode, Khmer comes from Sanskrit Khemera, Pali: Khema (peaceful, secure) which different to other methodes does not focus on productivity but on right intentions and harmlessness, using just given or abounded.

/me : as for the shares in the Kibbutz (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz) of Devadatta, d&d, hardly anybody who has not fallen into corruption, hardly and upright person with right view, would follow there.
Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: Chanroth on January 05, 2020, 02:02:41 PM
PVC

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Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 05, 2020, 02:16:47 PM
PVC is not good and even forbidden in most countries in combination with water and food, Nyom Chanroth .

PVC មិនល្អទេហើយថែមទាំងត្រូវបានហាមឃាត់នៅក្នុងប្រទេសភាគច្រើនដោយផ្សំជាមួយទឹកនិងចំណីអាហារ។

Did Nyom look at the way Upasaka karl_lew shared? He studied it long time and is professional at this things. It does not require pump and is merely static in pots.

តើ ញោម បានមើលផ្លូវដែល Upasaka Karl Lew បានចែករំលែកទេ? គាត់បានសិក្សាវាជាយូរមកហើយហើយមានជំនាញវិជ្ជាជីវៈលើរឿងនេះ។ វាមិនតម្រូវឱ្យមានស្នប់ទេហើយវាគ្រាន់តែឋិតិវន្តនៅក្នុងផើងប៉ុណ្ណោះ។

If using plastic, it's good to use PE.

ប្រសិនបើប្រើប្លាស្ទិចវាល្អក្នុងការប្រើ PE ។

Nyom is invited to join him at https://m.facebook.com/groups/KratkyHydroponics/

ញោម ត្រូវបានអញ្ជើញឱ្យចូលរួមជាមួយគាត់នៅ https://m.facebook.com/groups/KratkyHydroponics/
Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: Chanroth on January 05, 2020, 02:52:17 PM
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Title: Food and the danger of conceit: Devadatta-Dhamma
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 08, 2020, 10:14:24 AM

Aramika   *

Ein oder mehrer Beiträge wurden hier im Thema abgeschnitten und damit in neues Thema "Food and the danger of conceit: Devadatta-Dhamma (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php?topic=9663.0)" eröffnet, dem angehäng.
One or more posts have been cut out of this topic here. A new topic, based on it, has been created as "Food and the danger of conceit: Devadatta-Dhamma (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php?topic=9663.0)" or attached there.
Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 09, 2020, 12:21:08 PM
Upasaka karl_lew has given (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php/topic,9663.msg21443.html#msg21443) a share of his



to this topic.

/me : btw. Upasaka Chanroth is very pleased by the gifts and possibilities Nyom gave, and to get Upasaka known, yet by language barrier and lack of technical knowledge not able to direct express.
Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: Chanroth on January 09, 2020, 11:23:44 PM
Hydro

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Title: Rosel_tonic
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 10, 2020, 04:32:51 AM

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Ein oder mehrer Beiträge wurden hier im Thema abgeschnitten und damit in neues Thema "Rosel_tonic (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php/topic,7927.msg21449.html#msg21449)" eröffnet, dem angehäng.
One or more posts have been cut out of this topic here. A new topic, based on it, has been created as "Rosel_tonic (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php/topic,7927.msg21449.html#msg21449)" or attached there.
Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: Chanroth on January 10, 2020, 08:38:45 AM
(first little system, incl. a 1$ pump, with avaliable material is working)

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(one has to add that he hasn't any technical education and might had gone to school till grade 4 or 5)
Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: Chanroth on January 12, 2020, 10:22:08 AM
ស្ពៃចង្កឹះ

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Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: karl_lew on January 13, 2020, 11:21:46 AM
The plastic cup idea is brilliant!

To prevent algae growth, keep light away from cups. Aluminum foil tape works, or whatever you can think of. Algae competes with plants for food and oxygen.
Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 13, 2020, 12:08:39 PM
Nyom Chanroth got already informed about light and algae, experimented already (comparisons, light, no light and algae) with cover by old cartoon and "finally" found some color to paint. Such as aluminum foil are either easy avaliable (aside of capital) nor cheap. Here people are used to use avaliable around (such as shops, small, exist maybe since10 year here, in district towns), Nyom karl_lew , and observe and tests things careful.
He told that hydroponics are already very popular under people knowing it here and many foreigners are undertaking "easy" farming, since a huge market and traditional Khmer aren't used of out-of-season planting. But of course this branch is connected with a large tool and equipment industry (making the over all effect pointless again, and nurish global heat/pain).

So there is actually much to learn from Khmers (Khema) yet not easy to grasp if focus is on productivity.

/me : learning how to use and access, he would now get a mention email when using @Name , since not easy to oversee full of foreign script.

To get an impression: https://m.facebook.com/HydroponicsInCambodia
http://cambodiafresh.com

(Yet it's an elite thing. 95% will, wouldn't have access for now)
Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: karl_lew on January 14, 2020, 11:19:39 PM
Productivity is a dead end. It leads to massive waste.

Yes. Aluminum foil is relatively expensive. An old piece of cardboard works just fine to shield the pipe from sun and heat.

I forgot to mention that I also recommend vermicompost in the netpots. This recycles our waste into healthy food for the plants. Please do not use fancy rock wool or clay balls. They are expensive and wasteful. Vermicompost is nature's way to bring life out of death.  Using vermicompost in netpots is gentler on the plants and does not require transplanting.  I use cheap cloth to hold the soil in the 3-inch netpot so that it does not fall into the nutrients. In this simple way I can grow tomatoes.

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Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: Chanroth on January 15, 2020, 08:47:19 AM
បាទ អគុណបងប្រុស

I value/be grateful of the guṇa (giving, goodness), older brother.

/me : transl. draft added.
Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 15, 2020, 09:58:24 AM
[reflections of Upasaka Chanroth :] "...my family and really all villagers have already declared my person of being crazy. 'He doesn't work, doesn't cut wood, doesn't farming, doesn't drink, join pleasures, plants forest trees instead of fruits, plants chocolate trees, has no land, and now he plants in pipes'... Explaining the benefits to my wife: 'No fighting other beings, much better hygiene and health, not a little that brudensome work as doing on soil, no need to fight about land, no need to cut forest...', but she still does not understand.
Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: karl_lew on January 16, 2020, 01:14:03 AM
Thank you so much for being a wonderful crazy man who plants in pipes!

Good work. I have to get my own pipes ready for spring.

Happy planting!
Title: Cacao
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 16, 2020, 09:38:30 AM

Aramika   *

Ein oder mehrer Beiträge wurden hier im Thema abgeschnitten und damit in neues Thema "Cacao (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php/topic,9519.msg21583.html#msg21583)" eröffnet, dem angehäng.
One or more posts have been cut out of this topic here. A new topic, based on it, has been created as "Cacao (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php/topic,9519.msg21583.html#msg21583)" or attached there.
Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 16, 2020, 08:03:01 PM
Thank you so much for being a wonderful crazy man who plants in pipes!

Good work. I have to get my own pipes ready for spring.

Happy planting!

Sounds nice at first place, but modern people with some merits, living in a all arround organized place, are not so aware of what it takes to walk a different way. Once an American Mahayana-monks in Cambodia (ever eager to help since how many decades, Grandfather Vira Avalokita ) wisely reflected (yet still could lay it aside till today), sure from his own beginner-faults: "don't ever send the poor out for a fight for you ideas". Something of which modern society makes use everywhere in the world to destroy old sociaties.

At least, one should not forget that people mostly trust foreign exiting more and mistrust those of whoms kind they know. Only if leader would guide in certain direction, folk follows, for at large they wouldn't know what and why, but simply like to eat and gain as much as possible.

Imagen if Nyom karl_lew wouldn't have find likeminded, support, at least of his wife, no approve at all, and yet it's merely a hobby. Most of this world isn't like that at all but a daily struggle.

That doesn't mean that supporting each other in good ways isn't good, but as in the other topic, as soon as salting it with certain pride and revolution flavors, it can be most harmful by those on the field.

Thought it's good if Nyom tries to leave comfortable zone a little (yet it's not thought for debenefit at all), the palace, to get the seriously of dependency on food more known.

Atma trusts that Nyom can take it right, patiently as he conducts, but not with equanimity but wise judgements all the time.

Like Nyom would become lesser and lesser welcome on other places, where virtue isn't placed before gain, while dwelling here, the same works even much more intensive, yet possible not free and depending on groups with less care.

If walking another way it's often a tiny refuge one has, a friend, teacher... and of course there is much love and gratitude. Just two hours ago there was an angry scream of someone, sounding like: "Do not slander my teacher".

People bond, not leaving forward, do not wait anything else to find justification why they didn't follow a better. Such can lead even to fights, death, yes even wars. Less beings are capable and have conditions to walk upwardly, not to speak of those who could do it broad supported and with ease.

Nothing grows without ground, condition, Nissaya, and association is the most importand outwardly condition, one looking best possible after not taking side but simply call the Dhamma again and again to mind.
Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 16, 2020, 08:59:31 PM
To bring another perspective into, maybe easier to take. Once my person dwelled at Wat Aryum, next Bhante Indannano , he often used to provoke, since my person lived "totally" independent from others, keeping tudangas very strict. To do so Bhante stood on the way out for alms, doing like huging beloved an alms-bowl, twisting the body, saying "oh, my dear alms-bowl, oh my dear alms-bowl". Such provocations may itch, but it's really helpful in regard of the danger of pride over ones virtues or livelihood or believes to be independent while still craving after food. Sure, often such provucations are lesser great compassion, but what ever kind of stand-battle. Yet, even so, one can use such imputs, even if not well meant. Not to discourage in regard of perfection of virtue, but to remember that there is still perfection in concentration, perfection in wisdom, and then, of which one could then rest rightful selfsatisfied, liberation: an encouragement not to get stuck in pipes and tomatos, missing the leaving train.

Althought it as well gives defilements all kind of ways to act corrupt, the Maha Saropama Sutta: The Longer Heartwood-simile Discourse (http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/mn/mn.029.than_en.html) is a proper blessed reading here.

...there one comes to speak on tomatos, pipes and groundlessness and then gets urged to just use it to walk on and be careful on delight as long as not gained the heart wood.
Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: karl_lew on January 16, 2020, 11:06:39 PM
Yesterday I gave away our dinner tomato to a gardener. In that tomato and the giving are the seeds for a better life for him and his family beyond the eating. Other householders treat this man unkindly, demanding more of his services without offering to pay more. It is a disease, this asking for more. The cure is sharing. Let us not hug the alms bowl. Let us share what is given and received.
Title: Re: ដាំដោយគ្មានដី ការចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតត្រឹមត្រូវ Planting without soil & harm Hydroponics
Post by: Moritz on January 17, 2020, 06:13:53 AM
Yesterday I gave away our dinner tomato to a gardener. In that tomato and the giving are the seeds for a better life for him and his family beyond the eating. Other householders treat this man unkindly, demanding more of his services without offering to pay more. It is a disease, this asking for more. The cure is sharing. Let us not hug the alms bowl. Let us share what is given and received.

Mr. Lew karl_lew _/\_

Just in case interested: There is, as a "hidden" part of this monastery, also a "supporter" area.
It is for matters where monastics should not get involved, for example for issues dealing with money and things to organize between laypeople.
It can be accessed by adding the user group of "Supporter". (User group settings for oneself can be managed here (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php?action=profile;area=account), when logged in. There, under "additional member groups", one can then add "Supporter", for example, if wishing to access).
Now at the moment just a topic came up in regard of possible support for Pou Chanroth's livelihood and was moved there. So just to let you know, in case of being interested.
Although sure not easy to understand all in detail between people who speak different languages and live different lives and have different opinions about each other, some basic principles remain always simple (http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/sn/sn03/sn03.024.than_en.html). :) ;-)

_/\_