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2020 May 30 07:05:43
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 30 06:51:35
Johann: Those taking on the Uposatha today: may many follow your encouragement when leading after near and those depending on you.

2020 May 29 20:39:55
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 29 19:56:20
Johann: What ever sacrificed toward the Sublime Gems, toward liberation, such is condition for no more flowing back into the world. Mudita

2020 May 29 08:40:16
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 29 08:34:50
Johann: [continue] ...kāma-guṇa (sensual giving) , death, alive, increasing the cemeteries in the world. This is why just giving toward the virtuous, those with metta, bears fruits beyond the common, as it's not for further kāma-guṇa that they would use it for, but as base for lessons, for purificatio

2020 May 29 08:33:20
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 29 08:27:03
Johann: If one would know or remembering the suffering behind pleasing form, sound, smell, taste, touch, one certain would no more desire after it. But because lof lack of remembering and proper attention, beings go after it, take birth, age, get sick, seperated, die, again and again, keeping the flame of k

2020 May 29 08:15:29
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 29 08:15:19
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 29 07:42:53
Johann: If ones sacrifices, generosity, isn't protected by a good closed tank, less fruits can be expected. And what is the tank made of? Saddha, Pasada, metta, Sila, intention for own and others independency.

2020 May 29 06:36:24
Johann: A blessed Siladay all who are doing it today

2020 May 28 19:24:28
Johann: Sadhu

2020 May 28 18:32:00
Moritz: Upgrade to SMF 2.0.17 has been completed. Everything running smooth for everybody?

2020 May 23 06:43:43
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 22 21:09:34
Johann: May all still continue to spend a blessed New moon Uposatha till break on of a new day (of course good to continue without break). Mudita

2020 May 21 20:16:55
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 21 19:30:50
Johann: Nothing more a blessing as to do not cling to a specific Nikaya, since one can easy take the opportunity of doing theUposatha often two days a new. May all always make the best of given possibilities.

2020 May 20 21:19:41
Johann: Sadhu

2020 May 20 20:44:31
Cheav Villa: May Bhante get well soon.  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 20 20:43:13
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 May 18 14:55:14
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 May 18 12:17:04
Khemakumara: Upāsikā

2020 May 17 21:21:28
Johann: Nyom Sophorn

2020 May 17 07:36:11
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 May 17 07:14:16
Khemakumara: Upāsikā

2020 May 17 06:01:03
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante

2020 May 16 20:42:01
Johann: Bhante

2020 May 15 20:13:51
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 15 19:17:25
Johann: A blessed Siladay ending for those who keep(ed) it today.

2020 May 14 09:09:08
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 14 06:17:12
Johann: A bl3ssed Sila-day those observing it today.

2020 May 12 21:00:24
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 12 19:10:56
Johann: May no one ever, even a moment, forget: "Sole dominion over the earth, going to heaven, lordship over all worlds:    the fruit of stream-entry    excels them."

2020 May 10 15:27:11
Depabhasadhamma: Thank you Johann

2020 May 10 15:26:00
Johann: "stand", taking, holding a stand makes it possible more understandable and fits better to it.

2020 May 10 15:24:35
Johann: Welcome Depabasadhamma, Atma will open a topic on it.

2020 May 10 15:04:51
Depabhasadhamma: I am in need of assistance. I am writing a paper about the Three Marks of Existence. I understand the three marks, however, I am befuddled by the meaning and use of the word "existence." Is this English word the translation of the Pali word thiti? Does the word "existence" imply life, living, consci

2020 May 09 21:15:38
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_ :)

2020 May 09 20:48:57
Johann: Apsara in Pali: accharā, translation actually "A Whoo!"

2020 May 09 20:45:38
Johann: "...“Then take joy, Nanda. Take joy! I am your guarantor for getting 500 dove-footed nymphs.”..."

2020 May 09 20:45:17
Johann: "“What do you think, Nanda? Which is lovelier, better looking, more charming: the Sakyan girl, the envy of the countryside, or these 500 dove-footed nymphs?”..."

2020 May 09 20:43:26
Johann: There was a Bhikkhu "who got an email from an ex-co-dweller" and thought he will return to lower life, Nyom: Nanda Sutta

2020 May 09 20:35:41
Johann: It's actually just about the clothes, since his livemode is already a great Samaneras one.

2020 May 09 20:33:48
Cheav Villa: Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_ I kana never heard about the Bhuddha promised..  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 09 20:33:17
Johann: Till end of Vassa maybe?

2020 May 09 20:25:18
Cheav Villa: Master Moritz _/\_ Should try an ordination which in 7days.  _/\_ :)

2020 May 09 20:16:21
Johann: Apsara (dove feet Devatas).

2020 May 09 20:13:19
Johann: Temporary ordination is pretty normal, 3 days, a month, a Vassa... and not to forget that the Buddha promised union with the Asparas, which are beyond being compareable to others...

2020 May 09 19:25:54
Moritz: No no, I really prefer to be a householder, even though not having a house at the moment. I am not much inclined towards nekkhamma...  ^-^
... even though already doing some nekkhamma now, but not hoping to do so for the long term....

2020 May 09 19:24:05
Moritz: Bang Villa _/\_

2020 May 09 19:08:20
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 09 19:00:58
Johann: When not working he is already used to where his beige light clean cloth, morning, noon, evening and already good organized.

2020 May 09 18:52:05
Cheav Villa: Kana Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ :)

2020 May 09 18:39:04
Johann: Nyom has his working dress and his light formal dress. White he might have possible to much troubles, so better to convince him toward robes.  :)

2020 May 09 17:38:39
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_ Master Moritz should wear white clothes.  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ :)

2020 May 07 15:18:07
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 07 10:33:24
Johann: Householder clothes are really no more proper for Upasaka Khemadasa.... good to take him fear of the robes

2020 May 07 10:21:10
Khemakumara: Upāsikā

2020 May 07 10:19:33
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 May 07 06:02:32
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 07 05:46:38
Johann: Sadhu

2020 May 07 03:25:02
Khemakumara: May it be a path-and fruitful vesak Uposatha

2020 May 06 16:07:14
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 06 16:02:35
Johann: A blessed Vesaka Puja all, today and tomorrow, in reflection the goodness and qualities of the Sublime Buddha.

2020 May 04 21:25:10
Johann: followed by another overload by huawei-search engines... fixed

2020 May 04 20:31:45
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 04 20:25:53
Johann: A MS search engine (Bing) had overloaded the server capacity and might had caused the page not to be reached, but a cave-programmer quickly solved the issue, becoming aware of it. Sadhu

2020 May 03 21:13:46
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante Ariyadhammika _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 03 20:32:57
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 03 19:15:52
Johann: Sokh chomreoun, Nyom.

2020 May 03 15:01:43
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 May 03 12:53:08
Cheav Villa: Master Moritz _/\_

2020 May 03 12:07:17
Moritz: Bang Villa _/\_

2020 May 03 12:00:57
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 03 09:39:36
Johann: ...and the snake hunts the mice...

2020 May 03 09:11:20
Johann: Dwelling like Devas under Devas, peaceful, respectful, careful, harmless

2020 Apr 30 10:05:08
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Apr 29 21:15:43
Moritz: _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Apr 29 21:08:53
Johann: May all spend a meritful end of Sila-day, those who taking on it today, and maybe continue with those doing so tomorrow.

2020 Apr 29 20:09:39
Johann: Nyom Villa

2020 Apr 29 20:07:29
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 Apr 26 20:26:31
Johann: Nyom Moritz, Nyom Villa

2020 Apr 26 20:23:57
Cheav Villa: and Master Moritz _/\_

2020 Apr 26 20:23:33
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 Apr 26 19:56:30
Moritz: Bang Villa _/\_

2020 Apr 26 19:56:25
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Apr 26 08:18:19
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 Apr 26 07:18:02
Johann: Ādīnava , អដីនវ, As one of ten perceptions: AN 10.60

2020 Apr 26 07:09:32
Johann: May Dukkha be visible for all, so to stay on the path  that leads beyond and liberation.

2020 Apr 25 16:57:34
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 Apr 25 15:54:00
Khemakumara: Upāsikā

2020 Apr 23 18:41:59
Johann: Sadhu for care to report and assist

2020 Apr 23 18:39:44
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_ I kana now not get notification.  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Apr 23 15:04:07
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 Apr 23 13:45:57
Khemakumara: Upāsikā

2020 Apr 22 11:17:56
Johann: Sadhu, Sadhu

2020 Apr 22 06:38:01
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ :)

2020 Apr 22 05:45:37
Khemakumara: karuṇā, corona? which one prefers?   may it a fruit- and pathful Uposatha!

2020 Apr 21 19:53:51
Johann: If Nyom likes to use Atmas tablet and Sim, just pick it up at any time.

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Author Topic: Invitation to create a useful "Dhamma-Dana" signation/declaration (licence)  (Read 2254 times)

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Venerable members of the Sangha,
walking in front Fellows in leading the holly life.

 _/\_  _/\_  _/\_

In Respect of the Triple Gems, Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha, in Respect of the Elders of the community _/\_

Valued Upasaka, Upasika, Aramika(inis),
dear Readers and Visitors,

 *sgift*

Seeing many troubles with the modern use of licences and also the fact, that most licences do not really fit to what is "Giving Dhamma", Dhamma-Dana, at least in not expressing the purpose and intend as well as values, my person thought of why not trying to develope a dhammic alternative, useable aside a wordily adepts which have never "Right View" as forerunner, common, and so never "Right intent/resolve" as indicated intention.

Having started once with developing an alternative here , some parts are maybe useful.

The main purposes:

  • To give a most proper declaration of "Gift of Dhamma"
  • To explain the gifts purpose and strings
  • To formulate it in ways that possible everyone could understand
  • To make the declaration easy useable
  • To possible protect (in this way) the "owner's" (executing and represented by the Savaka Sangha of Bhikkhus) fullfillment of duty to be able to hold and carry the heritage, the Sangha is given, on and maintain it. (Which is actually the most fundamental purpose)

The "material" or sensual graspable aim here is:

  • To produce a textual formulation (possible in many languages)
  • To dedicate and offer it to the Sangha
  • To possible share a place on internet, which not only maintains a copy of this "Dhamma-gift-Declaration" but also tools to make it easy to addopt and use for everyone who likes to use the declaration for his/here work.
  • To provide with eventual imperfect declerations, out of lacking proper given possibilities.
Please feel free, invited an most possible encouraged to contribute in this undertaking, in what ever way feeling inspired and gifted able to contribute in respect and devotion of the Lord Buddha, his Dhamma and the Noble Sangha, represented by the community Bhikkhus.

Anumodana!
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In regard of expressing "Right View" and "Right resolve" in indicators and headline:

  • Its not proper to declare a right, when intended to give.

    While usual to claim first of all rights in the world, an attribute of giving is to declare is as such. So the use of "Right(s)" such as "copyrights" is not a proper use for declaration of a gift generally, not to speak of Gift of Dhamma.

  • It does not look proper use the expression "licence" intended to encourage to Right Resolve.

    Even if licence indicate the giving of possibilities, given the origin of the word, licet means something like "you are allowed", "you have the right", might indicate the act of giving, the common use is not only again primily to restrict but also appears as "from below down". To authorise might be proper for the owner (inventor), yet possible not proper for the heirs to use. One more thing is, that it is also in connection with "unrestrained" and it does not seem to be good to encourage to "unrestrained" use since it includes unrestrained in unskillful ways as well.
The signation with an previous act might be well either in calling it "giving" e.g. "gift".

Being a gift of Dhamma, or having derived from Dhamma-gifts and now giving it further, and representing a declaration of such, a wording of "Dhamma-Gift-Declaretion" or "Dhamma-Dana-Decleration" "ddd" short ⓓ might be proper for fist indication and headlines.


Possible name/headline:

"Dhamma-Dana-Declaration" which is of course not easy common understandable and might be called "Scope of this (Dhamma) - Gift".

Possible logo and sign:

Sign: ⓓ

Logo:

In both, sign and logo, it carries not only the "d" of "d.d.d.", "Dhamma-Dana-Declaration" but also some reminders on the common known "ⓒ" (from "copyright") which migh make it easier to find it, since people at lage are used to look after such, in search of what the "gift" is about.

Als Schlagwort für die erste Umbauphase kann man vielleicht von "c"opyrights zu "d"ana annehmen und teilen, als Titel sehen.

Das Element des nach rechts offenen Kreises des "c", auf einer Seite schützend, auf der anderen Seite gebend, wird durch das "d" "ersetzt", oder besser aus den "c" wird zum besseren Verständnis ein "d", daß nicht mehr in einem geschlossenen Kreis ist, sondern das was da ist nimmt und nach oben, aus dem Kreislauf heraus bringt.

Da anzunehmen ist, daß nicht alle bereit sind ausschließlich und stets in Sphären des Dhammas zu denken, habe ich auch versucht, dieses "c" (oder eventuell vorhandenes Beanspruchen) in dieser neuen Form beizubehalten. Also es werden keinerlei Dinge genommen, oder entfernt, sondern nur so genutzt, daß sie nach oben und zum best möglichen wirken.

Aus dem alten doch sehr aufdringlichen "c" wird das Neue "d"

    ➡   

Short: The "d" still contains the "c", while cutting of a part of it with its vertical line, which is pointing or directed upwardly and leaving the circle, breaking through it, Nibbana.
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    Kinds of Dhamma-Dana and origin, incl.suggested declaration:

    Its maybe good to divide between differen declarations:

    • (offical) Direct Sangha-Origin and offical Translation of the Sangha "DDD-orig"

      Used for the share of original Pali-teachings from the tipitaka and commentaries.
      Its good here not to only mention that a use for commercial purpose and wordily gain is not given, but also that changes of the text is not allowed, one is of course given to share the Dhamma-Dana further, in any medium, may build on parts of it, translate...
    • (sanghadana) Any work declareted as Sangha-Dana "DDD-sgda"

      Equal like the 1. but allowing the change if given as Sangha-Dana further.
    • (translation) Translations of single Persons, either Lay or Monastic "DDD-trans"

      Different to the fist, it might be good and proper to give here the transformation free, so that others could later improve and build on it. Citing of the author optional and voluntary.
    • (comment) Teaching, Commentary, Dhammatalks, Sudies... "DDD-comm"

      Giving possibility to share, remix and built on, for any medium incl. translation, Suggestion to mention Author and edits if made. Of cause like all Dhamma-Dana without commercial pupose.
    • (individual) For Dhamma-Dana derived with certain strings or personal restrictions "DDD-pers"

      One might use this if certain things can not begiven during string addopted by the giver or wishes to give not all by an author. Possible be used if original author used to put it under certain licence or has certain wishes.

    Material derived from commercial development, given for commercila use, or objected also for commercial use and wordily gains are not possible object for having a "Dhamma-Dana-Decleration", or not fitting into one of the decleration.[/list][/list]
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    Some FAQ - thoughts as to understand and build up on this...

    What is the purpose of using "Dhamma-Dana-Declaration"?

    For the giver it should be an easy way to express his gift and intention in giving. Others than copyright-declerations or licences the focus here is not to primaly serve certain laws and look best after ones rights, but to focus on the act of giving, while not forgetting the origin and to possible make the deed ethical high and skillful. In short: to gain the most merits in sharing.

    For the receiver it should protect him from wordily string as much as possible, give him all possible freedom to share the merits and by explaining and expression, helping him to develope right view and gratitude in regard of the gift.

    Do "Dhamma-Dana-Declaration" work inside certain law systems and does it use its function?

    Only indirect. Since Dhamma-Dana-Declarations" are only useable for gifts without purpose of commercial use or other wordily gains, there is naturally less space for conflicts. The use of DDD does not release a certain giver to prove if that what he gives is his own and/or given to him/here. "DDD" does also not work as a disclaimer system and respects the truth that both, giver and receiver are responsible for their deeds.

    DDD is not meant as a legal system or even replaces such. It does not touch laws, but provides simply with declarations which are in accordiance with skilfull deeds according the law of nature. Naturally, by reading also the explainings and tips to understand clearly normaly one would not touch any law an possible violate it, since it is build up eternaly on what is given, and does not incl.claims of rights and demands.
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    What about a more general declaration, simply abound much effort in carry on of which has been shared previously not so proper, leave it up to others to improve their ways.

    This is a gift of Dhamma dedicated for higher long term well-being and beyond. You are given to use it and build on it for what ever good, not harmfull for others, purpose in dedication toward the Buddha, the Dhamma and the Sangha. Whether you wish to give credits also toward the particular author personally or the paricular community of this generosity, beyond the Tripple Gems, is up to your inspiration.
    In no way this gift is shared for improper use such as trade and commercial purposes incl. fondraising and also common charitable activities and exchanges. This incl. undertakings which have the purpose to gain personal/communal reputations. It's not given for undertakings which have the purpose of harming or depriving beings of existance or their possessions, not to transport what is not true, lying and encourage to such or dividing others, not to abuse and not for encouragements to consume means which cause heedlessness, not to use to force claims or blackmail something or for oppressions of what ever isn't given voluntary yet, which incl. political and strategical for what ever worldly affairs.


    Thought and especially improvement in formulation and language are welcome.
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