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2020 May 28 19:24:28
Johann: Sadhu

2020 May 28 18:32:00
Moritz: Upgrade to SMF 2.0.17 has been completed. Everything running smooth for everybody?

2020 May 23 06:43:43
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 22 21:09:34
Johann: May all still continue to spend a blessed New moon Uposatha till break on of a new day (of course good to continue without break). Mudita

2020 May 21 20:16:55
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 21 19:30:50
Johann: Nothing more a blessing as to do not cling to a specific Nikaya, since one can easy take the opportunity of doing theUposatha often two days a new. May all always make the best of given possibilities.

2020 May 20 21:19:41
Johann: Sadhu

2020 May 20 20:44:31
Cheav Villa: May Bhante get well soon.  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 20 20:43:13
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 May 18 14:55:14
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 May 18 12:17:04
Khemakumara: Upāsikā

2020 May 17 21:21:28
Johann: Nyom Sophorn

2020 May 17 07:36:11
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 May 17 07:14:16
Khemakumara: Upāsikā

2020 May 17 06:01:03
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante

2020 May 16 20:42:01
Johann: Bhante

2020 May 15 20:13:51
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 15 19:17:25
Johann: A blessed Siladay ending for those who keep(ed) it today.

2020 May 14 09:09:08
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 14 06:17:12
Johann: A bl3ssed Sila-day those observing it today.

2020 May 12 21:00:24
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 12 19:10:56
Johann: May no one ever, even a moment, forget: "Sole dominion over the earth, going to heaven, lordship over all worlds:    the fruit of stream-entry    excels them."

2020 May 10 15:27:11
Depabhasadhamma: Thank you Johann

2020 May 10 15:26:00
Johann: "stand", taking, holding a stand makes it possible more understandable and fits better to it.

2020 May 10 15:24:35
Johann: Welcome Depabasadhamma, Atma will open a topic on it.

2020 May 10 15:04:51
Depabhasadhamma: I am in need of assistance. I am writing a paper about the Three Marks of Existence. I understand the three marks, however, I am befuddled by the meaning and use of the word "existence." Is this English word the translation of the Pali word thiti? Does the word "existence" imply life, living, consci

2020 May 09 21:15:38
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_ :)

2020 May 09 20:48:57
Johann: Apsara in Pali: accharā, translation actually "A Whoo!"

2020 May 09 20:45:38
Johann: "...“Then take joy, Nanda. Take joy! I am your guarantor for getting 500 dove-footed nymphs.”..."

2020 May 09 20:45:17
Johann: "“What do you think, Nanda? Which is lovelier, better looking, more charming: the Sakyan girl, the envy of the countryside, or these 500 dove-footed nymphs?”..."

2020 May 09 20:43:26
Johann: There was a Bhikkhu "who got an email from an ex-co-dweller" and thought he will return to lower life, Nyom: Nanda Sutta

2020 May 09 20:35:41
Johann: It's actually just about the clothes, since his livemode is already a great Samaneras one.

2020 May 09 20:33:48
Cheav Villa: Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_ I kana never heard about the Bhuddha promised..  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 09 20:33:17
Johann: Till end of Vassa maybe?

2020 May 09 20:25:18
Cheav Villa: Master Moritz _/\_ Should try an ordination which in 7days.  _/\_ :)

2020 May 09 20:16:21
Johann: Apsara (dove feet Devatas).

2020 May 09 20:13:19
Johann: Temporary ordination is pretty normal, 3 days, a month, a Vassa... and not to forget that the Buddha promised union with the Asparas, which are beyond being compareable to others...

2020 May 09 19:25:54
Moritz: No no, I really prefer to be a householder, even though not having a house at the moment. I am not much inclined towards nekkhamma...  ^-^
... even though already doing some nekkhamma now, but not hoping to do so for the long term....

2020 May 09 19:24:05
Moritz: Bang Villa _/\_

2020 May 09 19:08:20
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 09 19:00:58
Johann: When not working he is already used to where his beige light clean cloth, morning, noon, evening and already good organized.

2020 May 09 18:52:05
Cheav Villa: Kana Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ :)

2020 May 09 18:39:04
Johann: Nyom has his working dress and his light formal dress. White he might have possible to much troubles, so better to convince him toward robes.  :)

2020 May 09 17:38:39
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_ Master Moritz should wear white clothes.  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ :)

2020 May 07 15:18:07
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 07 10:33:24
Johann: Householder clothes are really no more proper for Upasaka Khemadasa.... good to take him fear of the robes

2020 May 07 10:21:10
Khemakumara: Upāsikā

2020 May 07 10:19:33
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 May 07 06:02:32
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 07 05:46:38
Johann: Sadhu

2020 May 07 03:25:02
Khemakumara: May it be a path-and fruitful vesak Uposatha

2020 May 06 16:07:14
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 06 16:02:35
Johann: A blessed Vesaka Puja all, today and tomorrow, in reflection the goodness and qualities of the Sublime Buddha.

2020 May 04 21:25:10
Johann: followed by another overload by huawei-search engines... fixed

2020 May 04 20:31:45
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 04 20:25:53
Johann: A MS search engine (Bing) had overloaded the server capacity and might had caused the page not to be reached, but a cave-programmer quickly solved the issue, becoming aware of it. Sadhu

2020 May 03 21:13:46
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante Ariyadhammika _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 03 20:32:57
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 03 19:15:52
Johann: Sokh chomreoun, Nyom.

2020 May 03 15:01:43
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 May 03 12:53:08
Cheav Villa: Master Moritz _/\_

2020 May 03 12:07:17
Moritz: Bang Villa _/\_

2020 May 03 12:00:57
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 03 09:39:36
Johann: ...and the snake hunts the mice...

2020 May 03 09:11:20
Johann: Dwelling like Devas under Devas, peaceful, respectful, careful, harmless

2020 Apr 30 10:05:08
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Apr 29 21:15:43
Moritz: _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Apr 29 21:08:53
Johann: May all spend a meritful end of Sila-day, those who taking on it today, and maybe continue with those doing so tomorrow.

2020 Apr 29 20:09:39
Johann: Nyom Villa

2020 Apr 29 20:07:29
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 Apr 26 20:26:31
Johann: Nyom Moritz, Nyom Villa

2020 Apr 26 20:23:57
Cheav Villa: and Master Moritz _/\_

2020 Apr 26 20:23:33
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 Apr 26 19:56:30
Moritz: Bang Villa _/\_

2020 Apr 26 19:56:25
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Apr 26 08:18:19
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 Apr 26 07:18:02
Johann: Ādīnava , អដីនវ, As one of ten perceptions: AN 10.60

2020 Apr 26 07:09:32
Johann: May Dukkha be visible for all, so to stay on the path  that leads beyond and liberation.

2020 Apr 25 16:57:34
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 Apr 25 15:54:00
Khemakumara: Upāsikā

2020 Apr 23 18:41:59
Johann: Sadhu for care to report and assist

2020 Apr 23 18:39:44
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_ I kana now not get notification.  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Apr 23 15:04:07
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 Apr 23 13:45:57
Khemakumara: Upāsikā

2020 Apr 22 11:17:56
Johann: Sadhu, Sadhu

2020 Apr 22 06:38:01
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ :)

2020 Apr 22 05:45:37
Khemakumara: karuṇā, corona? which one prefers?   may it a fruit- and pathful Uposatha!

2020 Apr 21 19:53:51
Johann: If Nyom likes to use Atmas tablet and Sim, just pick it up at any time.

2020 Apr 21 19:49:09
Moritz: Smart connection works well.

2020 Apr 21 19:48:53
Moritz: _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante, mobile hotspot from the cave does not really reach well here. So can be turned off. Thank you. _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Apr 21 19:48:12
Johann: Making posts work for Nyom without errors?

2020 Apr 21 19:47:18
Cheav Villa: Kana Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Apr 21 19:22:08
Johann: So email does not work? Shoutbox sometimes needs longer because of internet connection. Sadhu for feedback.

2020 Apr 21 18:41:22
Cheav Villa: I kana still did not get the notification beceuse of new password. and shout have to write two times.   _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Apr 21 18:25:13
Johann: Please let it be know if you meet similar issue.

2020 Apr 21 18:24:37
Johann: It seems as posting is not possible because of errors currently. Nyom Moritz is informed via email.

2020 Apr 21 17:15:42
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Apr 21 17:02:42
Johann:  May all who observe the Uposatha today have had a blissful undertaking seen by doing so!

2020 Apr 20 20:59:39
Johann: (gave should be grave/gross)

2020 Apr 20 20:58:39
Johann: "We" = no peace at first place. But doing than for oneself and with it share to all others, that is possible, no we (= gave sakkayaditthi, the idea od we)

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Author Topic: Last Generation, last Arahat, outrunning Buddhasasana, ending of relations  (Read 1001 times)

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Quote from: Upasika Villa in the talk-box
Osaka Vadami Bhante  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Kana would ask about the Sublime Sangha in this period is real last the one Arahats Sangha!  _/\_ _/\_

Sadhu, Nyom Cheav Villa

There are many opinions and different perceptions on this matter. Generally said, the Buddha didn't gave much general absolute predictions but explained all in manners of cause and effect: "from this comes that, with the arising of this, that arises, decay of this, this decays".

But my person thinks it's much more proper to ask the Venerables dwelling here first:

 _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Okasa Venerable Grandfather Varado ,
Venerabe Indaññāno ,
Venerable Ariyadhammika ,

Upasika Villa approached the Sublime Sangha, venerated and asked: "Is this time now really the last generation of the Savaka Sangha, the last generation of having an Arahat within the Sangha?".

It would be good if the Venerables, out of compassion, would share their merits in knowledge and vision in regard of the period of decay of the Savaka Sangha.

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The Venerables might be busy or hindered. Assuming that taking leave here is welcome, my person takes leave, looking forward that the Venerables will assist in proper explaining as soon as possible.

Nyom Cheav Villa , as told before Dhamma is all about cause and effect of which is not total determined but can always be corrected in the present. That is one thing. If we miss out this, there is less motivation for putting an effort, here in maintaining something that has arose.

So generally my person does not like certain explainings by certain branches, which follow a kind of timeline found in the commentaries. If remembering right, they say that "we" live already in a time where the highest attainment is Sotapanna.

If following such predictions, and assume that when there is no more Arahat within the Sangha, who acts as Nissaya, it would be actually the case that the Savaka Sangha within the conventional Sangha of Bhikkhus already had died out according the timeline and the end of Arahataphala, many many years, centuries ago, at least a Sangha where Arahat are present.

The underlying justification here is, that a lower could hardly train another higher then himself. And if we look at Vinaya, instructor and teacher, next to other qualifications, would need to have conducts like an Arahat.

That is possible the reason why in most areas of SEAsia, incl. Cambodia, people at broad, incl. monks, assume that there are no more Ariya-puggala within the Sangha (meaning also in the world for them).

That would be a very demotivating situation and is actually also the reason why popular teacher focus on next worlds for attainings rather to motivate for effort right here and now.

As non-action, especially in regard of Sila, Samadhi, Panna, i.e. renouncing, leaving home/stand, is most harmful even for a good in the world, it's in no way useful to maintein a perception of "no more" or "no more possible", but the other extreme of "we have another 2500, or what ever long time, time" actually leads to the same inaction and lazyness. In any case, the most secure bet here is always, at any time, even if all seems perfect here, "this is the last change".

That's the "psychology" and drive found all over the teachings of the Buddha. When "enemies" are not seen, when dangers are not seen, when the hair on the head does not burn, no effort for a better or beyond would be made. If in a stage of ease and not an Arahat, one may be sure that this is the lure of Mara "don't worry".

So at first place the Buddha or a wise teacher, guide, would always point and remind on decay, suffering, insecurity, even then when all seems fine.

Who ever teaches the first or the second view causes "Dhamma-danger" gives many food for turning toward inaction or to focus on worldly attainments. In German such would be called "Teufelskreislauf" which could be translated to "Mara-spiral".

This is the reason why we don't find much on determined predictions in dependency of just time. Yet what we know and can trust is, that all Sang/kharas have an end.

Here now is the point where food for pāsāda need to be placed to move, seeing the back burning and the most evident sign for "hope" is a gained perception of refuge, Sangha.

That lead now to the need to remember that the "world of reality" is different for every person, being.

For a person who has rightly gained the perception of the Savaka Sangha, this world here and now isn't void of such a Sangha. Having gained, by right touch, the perception of an Arahat, of Arahats, ones world isn't void of Arahats.

So let my person stop here with the more importand question whether Nyom has already met, has met the Savaka Sangha, possible an Arahat, already, so that she has already a clear perception. Has she?

If so, this, her world, isn't empty of Savaka Sangha yet, is not void of Arahats, but that is total not for sure for her possible next world. She could come back and would neither find desired or already gained relatives or parents.

That is why the focus should be not on "is" or "is not" but on "become" and "maintain already gained.

So maybe Nyom likes, after having read and investigate till here, to answer and give account, tell if that is clear till this stage.
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I Prah Karuna have already met the Arahat Sangha. I kana could not find desired in Parents or relatives elsewhere, when following the Arahat now. But seen Dukkha if not gained higher before the time of Sang/kharas have an end.

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Nyom Cheav Villa , now as you are blessed to have met the Savaka Sangha and the Domain of the Arahats:

Are those Arahats and the Savaka Sangha are up to leaving, to establish a dwelling in the world or up to come back? Do they appear in this world to dwell with those bound to the world or just leaving a trace behind that can be followed, if conducting in their ways?
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The Arahat and the Savaka Sangha
are leaving, even dwelling in the world never come back. The Savaka Sangha had Appearing in the world to made end of Dukkha leaving a trace behind that can be followed, if conducting in thier ways.

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Nyom Cheav Villa

So is it, that for one having gained relation, a footing in the dethless, seeing that there is an escape, the Savaka Sangha head off this world.

And it's by nature of those having wrong perception, that they stay bound in the world, seeking and holding refuge to what ever they assume as being one.

It's not possible for one who has no relation to the Buddha, no Upanissaya toward the Arahats, that such one could ever trace Noble Ones.

Once the living stream of Savakas runs out, get's broken. Once there are no more pabbajito, living a live without home and stand, then Vinaya disapears, is no more understood, when lived Vinaya disappears, the true Dhamma (the understanding) disappears as well.

Being there no more Sasana (= Sangha), no more "social network", common people hardly ever can increase Upanissaya. Yet there might still appear Noble Ones but no more within a "formal" Sangha, for whom could ordain such. If total runned out, paccekabuddha will still provide for some possibilities to increase Upanissaya.

So again, once having found a footing, there is no more much to think about the future of the world as being are heirs of their kamma. One head after the Savakas and what might follow, follows.

Even if "just" reached the first stage, it's very seldom that one would return to the plane of humans.

For those who rest, thinking "oh, let's make it later, fix the problems of the world first, such has neither met the Savaka Sangha, nor would he/she easily and that is why it is said:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

"Monks, these two are fools. Which two? The one who takes up a burden that hasn't fallen to him, and the one who doesn't take up a burden that has. These two are fools."

As Nyom proper said: "...leaving a trace behind that can be followed, if conducting in thier ways."

And this are some accounts the Buddha gave, listed in the

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Welfare of the Bhikkhus

6. Then, soon after Vassakara's departure, the Blessed One addressed the Venerable Ananda thus: "Go now, Ananda, and assemble in the hall of audience as many bhikkhus as live around Rajagaha."

"Very well, Lord." And the Venerable Ananda did as he was requested and informed the Blessed One: "The community of bhikkhus is assembled, Lord. Now let the Blessed One do as he wishes."

Thereupon the Blessed One rose from his seat, went up to the hall of audience, took his appointed seat there, and addressed the bhikkhus thus: "Seven conditions leading to welfare I shall set forth, bhikkhus. Listen and pay heed to what I shall say."

"So be it, Lord."

"The growth of the bhikkhus is to be expected, not their decline, bhikkhus,

  • so long as they assemble frequently and in large numbers;
  • meet and disperse peacefully and attend to the affairs of the Sangha in concord;
  • so long as they appoint no new rules, and do not abolish the existing ones,
  • but proceed in accordance with the code of training (Vinaya) laid down;
  •   so long as they show respect, honor, esteem, and veneration towards the elder bhikkhus, those of long standing, long gone forth, the fathers and leaders of the Sangha, and think it worthwhile to listen to them;
  • so long as they do not come under the power of the craving that leads to fresh becoming;
  • so long as they cherish the forest depths for their dwellings;
  • so long as they establish themselves in mindfulness, so that virtuous brethren of the Order who have not come yet might do so, and those already come might live in peace;


so long, bhikkhus, as these seven conditions leading to welfare endure among the bhikkhus and the bhikkhus are known for it, their growth is to be expected, not their decline.

7. "Seven further conditions leading to welfare I shall set forth, bhikkhus. Listen and pay heed to what I shall say."

"So be it, Lord."

"The growth of the bhikkhus is to be expected, not their decline, bhikkhus,

  • so long as they do not delight in, are not pleased with, and are not fond of activities, talk, sleep, and company;
  • so long as they do not harbor, do not come under the spell of evil desires;
  • have no bad friends, associates, or companions;
  • and so long as they do not stop halfway on account of some trifling achievement.


So long, bhikkhus, as these seven conditions leading to welfare endure among the bhikkhus and the bhikkhus are known for it, their growth is to be expected, not their decline.

Seven Good Qualities [6]

8. "Seven further conditions leading to welfare I shall set forth, bhikkhus. Listen and pay heed to what I shall say."

"So be it, Lord."

"The growth of the bhikkhus is to be expected, not their decline, bhikkhus,

  • so long as they shall have faith,
  • so long as they have moral shame
  • and fear of misconduct,
  • are proficient in learning,
  • resolute,
  • mindful,
  • and wise.


So long, bhikkhus, as these seven conditions leading to welfare endure among the bhikkhus, and the bhikkhus are known for it, their growth is to be expected, not their decline.

Seven Factors of Enlightenment [7]

9. "Seven further conditions leading to welfare I shall set forth, bhikkhus. Listen and pay heed to what I shall say."

"So be it, Lord."

"The growth of the bhikkhus is to be expected, not their decline, bhikkhus, so long as they cultivate the seven factors of enlightenment, that is:

  • mindfulness,
  • investigation into phenomena,
  • energy,
  • bliss,
  • tranquillity,
  • concentration,
  • and equanimity.


So long, bhikkhus, as these seven conditions leading to welfare endure among the bhikkhus, and the bhikkhus are known for it, their growth is to be expected, not their decline.

Seven Perceptions

10. "Seven further conditions leading to welfare I shall set forth, bhikkhus. Listen and pay heed to what I shall say."

"So be it, Lord."

"The growth of the bhikkhus is to be expected, not their decline, bhikkhus,

  • so long as they cultivate the perception of impermanence,
  • of egolessness,
  • of (the body's) impurity,
  • of (the body's) wretchedness,
  • of relinquishment,
  • of dispassion,
  • and of cessation.


So long, bhikkhus, as these seven conditions leading to welfare endure among the bhikkhus, and the bhikkhus are known for it, their growth is to be expected, not their decline.

Six Conditions to be Remembered [8]

11. "Six further conditions leading to welfare I shall set forth, bhikkhus. Listen and pay heed to what I shall say."

"So be it, Lord."

"The growth of the bhikkhus is to be expected, not their decline, bhikkhus,

  • so long as they attend on each other with loving-kindness in deed, word, and thought, both openly and in private;
  • so long as in respect of what they receive as due offerings, even the contents of their alms bowls, they do not make use of them without sharing them with virtuous members of the community;
  • so long as, in company with their brethren, they train themselves, openly and in private, in the rules of conduct, which are complete and perfect, spotless and pure, liberating, praised by the wise, uninfluenced (by mundane concerns), and favorable to concentration of mind;
  • and in company with their brethren, preserve, openly and in private, the insight that is noble and liberating, and leads one who acts upon it to the utter destruction of suffering.


So long, bhikkhus, as these six conditions leading to welfare endure among the bhikkhus, and the bhikkhus are known for it, their growth is to be expected, not their decline.

But again, those lines of cause and effect are not given to speculate much around and take a stand in "is" or "is not", but simply to be urged by the signs clear pointing out that it's running out and so more the wisely to use the leaving train.

Without simply following the seen track, saying "oh, over" or "oh, still time", both leads to the equivalent perception, perceiving is then cause of act.

If another Arahat, a Savaka, one of the 4 Samanas, not the fifth, at least, one leaves a trace behind for others, those who do and can.

Good to establish oneself in the Pure Adobes, the dwelling of the No-returner and Arahats in this very existance, and nothing really hinders one, once having got the proper perception, better having seen.

So who likes to invest in undertakings like 5000-years? And who actually leaves a track behind?
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I Kana got the Accounts.
I Prah Karuna would like to invest in whom actually arrived at the Shore of the Arahant, actually leaves a trace behind.
I kana may take the possible time now, request to the Sublime Arahant Sangha mays the Savaka Sangha " live long " (Long period of time) and Prosper. for All living being.

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So, if one truly wishes for such, one does not only rest at the first stage of sage, but progress, gives into, the highest to reach, so that the trace may not disappear for later generations of those bound, near, to one. Whether lay or in robes, the Noble Eightfold path can be walked till the highest from both and by becoming worthy of gifts, one arrived at paths or fruits, a receiver purifies gifts, others are able to gain relation, of what wouldn't work for giving and taking among worldlings.

Mudita with all those understanding "help/do skillful/let go of the aggregates by/for yourself first", goodness for the world behind is a natural side-product anyway, no need to worry about it what isn't ones own, not, no more, taken as such.

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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

“It’s not the earth property that makes the True Dhamma disappear. It’s not the water property… the fire property… the wind property that makes the True Dhamma disappear.230 It’s worthless people who arise right here [within the Saṅgha] who make the True Dhamma disappear. The True Dhamma doesn’t disappear the way a ship sinks all at once.

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

“Monks, these five future dangers, unarisen at present, will arise in the future. Be alert to them and, being alert, work to get rid of them. Which five?

“There will be, in the course of the future, monks desirous of fine robes. They, desirous of fine robes, will neglect the practice of wearing cast-off cloth; will neglect isolated forest & wilderness dwellings; will move to towns, cities, & royal capitals, taking up residence there. For the sake of a robe they will do many kinds of unseemly, inappropriate things.

“This, monks, is the first future danger, unarisen at present, that will arise in the future. Be alert to it and, being alert, work to get rid of it.

“And further, in the course of the future there will be monks desirous of fine food. They, desirous of fine food, will neglect the practice of going for alms; will neglect isolated forest & wilderness dwellings; will move to towns, cities, & royal capitals, taking up residence there and searching out the tip-top tastes with the tip of the tongue. For the sake of food they will do many kinds of unseemly, inappropriate things.

“This, monks, is the second future danger, unarisen at present, that will arise in the future. Be alert to it and, being alert, work to get rid of it.

“And further, in the course of the future there will be monks desirous of fine lodgings. They, desirous of fine lodgings, will neglect the practice of living in the wilds; will neglect isolated forest & wilderness dwellings; will move to towns, cities, & royal capitals, taking up residence there. For the sake of lodgings they will do many kinds of unseemly, inappropriate things.

“This, monks, is the third future danger, unarisen at present, that will arise in the future. Be alert to it and, being alert, work to get rid of it.

“And further, in the course of the future there will be monks who will live in close association with nuns, female trainees, & female novices. As they interact with nuns, female trainees, & female novices, they can be expected either to lead the holy life dissatisfied or to fall into one of the defiling offenses, leaving the training, returning to a lower way of life.

“This, monks, is the fourth future danger, unarisen at present, that will arise in the future. Be alert to it and, being alert, work to get rid of it.

“And further, in the course of the future there will be monks who will live in close association with monastery attendants & novices. As they interact with monastery attendants & novices, they can be expected to live committed to many kinds of stored-up possessions and to making large boundary posts for fields & crops.

“This, monks, is the fifth future danger, unarisen at present, that will arise in the future. Be alert to it and, being alert, work to get rid of it.

“These, monks, are the five future dangers, unarisen at present, that will arise in the future. Be alert to them and, being alert, work to get rid of them.”

That the True Dhamma Might Last a Long Time: Readings Selected by King Asoka
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