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2024 Mar 24 19:07:11
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ 😌

2024 Mar 24 14:13:29
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 24 06:25:25
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha by following the conducts of the Arahats.

2024 Mar 23 13:11:16
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_

2024 Mar 21 01:07:56
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Mar 21 00:28:58
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 20 14:25:49
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 20 12:06:29
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Mar 20 11:24:06
blazer: Good morning everyone  _/\_

2024 Mar 18 21:42:50
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 18 19:43:59
Dhammañāṇa: Mudita, Nyom.

2024 Mar 18 19:36:35
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Undertaking this Sila day at my best.

2024 Mar 18 06:17:10
Dhammañāṇa: Those who undertake the Sila day today: may it be of much metta.

2024 Mar 18 02:16:41
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 17 21:09:31
អរិយវង្ស: 🚬🚬🚬

2024 Mar 17 06:30:53
Dhammañāṇa: Metta-full Sila day, those after it today.

2024 Mar 17 00:02:34
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 11 09:16:04
Dhammañāṇa: Once totally caught by google, AI and machines, every door has been closed for long, long term.

2024 Mar 11 09:14:04
Dhammañāṇa: People at large just wait that another would do his/her duty. Once a slight door to run back, they are gone. By going again just for debts, the wheel of running away turns on.

2024 Mar 10 18:59:10
Dhammañāṇa: Less are those who don't use the higher Dhamma not for defilement-defence, less those who don't throw the basics away and turn back to sensuality "with ease".

2024 Mar 10 06:51:11
Dhammañāṇa: A auspicious new-moon Uposatha for those observing it today.

2024 Mar 09 06:34:39
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed New-moon Uposatha, and birth reminder day of a monarchy of wonders.

2024 Mar 08 21:39:54
Dhammañāṇa: The best way to keep an Ashram silent is to put always duties and Sila high. If wishing it populated, put meditation (eating) on the first place.

2024 Mar 03 21:27:27
Dhammañāṇa: May those undertaking the Sila day today, spend it off in best ways, similar those who go after the days purpose tomorrow.

2024 Feb 25 22:10:33
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 24 06:42:35
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Māgha Pūjā and Full moon Uposatha with much reason for good recallings of goodness.

2024 Feb 24 01:50:55
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 23 06:39:57
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Feb 23 00:19:58
blazer: Taken flu again... at least leg pain has been better managed since many weeks and it's the greatest benefit. Hope Bhante Dhammañāṇa is fine  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 01:06:43
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 00:02:37
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 17 18:47:31
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of todays Sila-day.

2024 Feb 17 18:46:59
Dhammañāṇa: Chau Marco, chau...

2024 Feb 16 23:32:59
blazer: Just ended important burocratic and medical stuff. I will check for a flight for Cambodia soon  _/\_

2024 Feb 09 16:08:32
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 12:17:31
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 06:42:17
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed New moon Uposatha and last day of the Chinese year of the rabbit, entering the Year of the Naga wisely.

2024 Feb 02 21:17:28
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 02 19:53:28
Dhammañāṇa: May all have the possibility to spend a pleasing rest of Sila day, having given goodness and spend a faultless day.

2024 Jan 26 14:40:25
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 25 10:02:46
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Full moon Uposatha.

2024 Jan 11 06:37:21
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 07 06:31:20
Dhammañāṇa: May many, by skilful deeds,  go for real and lasting independence today

2024 Jan 06 18:00:36
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 16:57:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 12:33:08
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila-day, full of metta in thoughts, speech and deeds.

2023 Dec 30 20:21:07
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 27 23:18:38
Dhammañāṇa: May the rest of a bright full moon Uposatha serve many as a blessed day of good deeds.

2023 Dec 26 23:12:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 24 16:52:50
Dhammañāṇa: May all who celebrated the birth of their prophet, declaring them his ideas of reaching the Brahma realm, spend peaceful days with family and reflect the goodness near around them, virtuous, generously.

2023 Dec 20 21:36:37
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 20 06:54:09
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by conducting in peacefull manners.

2023 Dec 12 23:45:24
blazer:  _/\_

2023 Dec 12 20:34:26
Dhammañāṇa: choice, yes  :)

2023 Dec 12 13:23:35
blazer: If meaning freedom of choice i understand and agree

2023 Dec 12 12:48:42
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 12 06:13:23
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a great New Moon Uposatha, following the conducts of the Arahats.

2023 Dec 10 12:51:16
Dhammañāṇa: The more freedom of joice, the more troubled in regard of what's right, what's wrong. My person does not say that people at large are prepared for freedom of joice even a little.

2023 Dec 10 10:59:42
blazer: Hope they eat more mindfully than how they talk. It is clear for the gross food, we had more than a talk about this topic. I have put so much effort in mindful eating at the temple, but when i was back i wanted more refined food. I was used to get a choice of more than 10 dishes every day

2023 Dec 10 06:57:44
Dhammañāṇa: A person eating on unskilled thoughts will last defiled, Nyom. Gross food does nothing for purification at all.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:58
blazer: I've had a couple of not nice experiences with monks that were not so pure in my opinion. They surely eat far better than me at temple.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:41
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 09 11:38:36
Dhammañāṇa: Spiritual prostitution, just another way of livelihood.

2023 Dec 05 20:59:38
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 27 14:47:22
អរិយវង្ស:   _/\_ _/\__/\_

2023 Nov 27 05:41:32
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Anapanasati- Fullmoon and reflect the goodness of Ven Sāriputta as well today.

2023 Nov 20 19:18:13
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 20 18:20:15
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 20 02:48:24
Moritz: Hello _/\_ Still possible to join: An-other Journey into the East 2023/24

2023 Nov 18 13:55:11
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 12 01:09:01
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2023 Nov 12 00:45:21
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 19:42:10
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 07:17:02
Dhammañāṇa: សិលា​នាំ​ទៅ​រក​ឯករាជ្យ​នៃ​ជាតិ! សូមឱ្យមនុស្សជាច្រើនប្រារព្ធទិវាឯករាជ្យ(ពី)ជាតិ។

2023 Nov 09 07:06:56
Dhammañāṇa: Sila leads to independence of Jati! May many observe a conductive Independence day.

2023 Nov 07 00:54:02
Dhammañāṇa: Nyoum

2023 Nov 07 00:39:55
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 15:47:51
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 12:21:27
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila observation day today.

2023 Oct 30 15:17:36
Dhammañāṇa: It's common in to give up that what's given to do assist me toward release, common that seeking security in what binds.

2023 Oct 30 13:22:27
អរិយវង្ស: ព្រះអង្គ :) កូណាលុប delta chat ហើយ :D _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 23 18:56:09
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 22 20:36:01
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of this Sila-day.

2023 Oct 19 20:31:12
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom Sreyneang

2023 Oct 15 07:07:01
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 14 06:53:21
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a New moon Uposatha based on goodwill for all, find seclusion in the middle of family duties.

2023 Sep 29 07:35:30
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:23:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:03:11
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha and begin of the ancestor weeks by lived metta and virtue: lived gratitude toward all being, toward one self.

2023 Sep 22 22:07:43
Dhammañāṇa: If no rush turn toward reducing sensuality and make Silas the top of priority, it's to fear that an Atomic conflic will be chosen soon, in the battle of control of the "drugs".

2023 Sep 22 14:59:39
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 22 06:35:51
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Uposatha Observance on this Sila-day, by conducting similar the Arahats.

2023 Sep 16 19:29:27
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 16 19:29:13
blazer: Hello everyone! I've just come back home. I had a long trip and no sleep for more than 30 hours, but currently feel quite good. I've had a good experience, i'm happy. I've found out much inspiration and many ideas about the training and the holy life. I'll recollect and write about them as soon as i've taken some rest. Hope to find you all well and in good health  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 15 05:25:24
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 14 21:09:49
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of New moon Uposatha today (later as no connection before).

2023 Sep 10 01:55:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_?

2023 Sep 09 18:52:54
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 09 18:52:28
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 08 06:19:20
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by maintaining goodwill toward all, not only by deeds and speech, but with nine factors, incl. a mind full of metta.

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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Anana Sutta: Schuldenfrei

Dann ging Anathapindika, der Haushälter, zum Befreiten, und mit Ankunft, sich vor ihm verneigt habend, setzte er sich an eine Seite. Als er dort saß, sagte der Befreite zu ihm: "Da sind diese vier Arten von Segen, die zu passender Zeit erlangt werden können, zu passendem Anlaß, von einem Haushälter, der an Sinnlichkeit teil nimmt. Welche vier? Der Segen des Habens, der Segen von Wohlstand [Gebrauch zu machen], der Segen der Schuldenfreiheit, der Segen der Tadellosigkeit.

"Und was ist der Segen des Habens? Da ist der Fall, daß ein Sohn von guter Familie, Wohlstand durch seine Anstrengung und Unternehmung verdient hat, angehäuft mit der Kraft seiner Arme, und aufgestapelt durch den Schweiß seiner Stirn, rechtschaffener Wohlstand, rechtschaffen erlangt. Wenn er denkt: 'Ich habe Wohlstand durch meine Anstrengung und Unternehmung verdient, angehäuft mit der Kraft seiner Arme, und aufgestapelt durch den Schweiß meiner Stirn, rechtschaffener Wohlstand, rechtschaffen erlangt', erfährt er Segen, erfährt er Freude. Diese wird der Segen von Haben genannt.

"Und was ist der Segen von Wohlstand [Gebrauch zu machen]? Da ist der Fall, daß ein Sohn von guter Familie, Wohlstand durch seine Anstrengung und Unternehmung verdient hat, angehäuft mit der Kraft seiner Arme, und aufgestapelt durch den Schweiß seiner Stirn, rechtschaffener Wohlstand, rechtschaffen erlangt. Wenn er denkt: 'Den Wohlstand, durch meine Anstrengung und Unternehmung verdient, angehäuft mit der Kraft seiner Arme, und aufgestapelt durch den Schweiß meiner Stirn, rechtschaffener Wohlstand, rechtschaffen erlangt, nutzend, nehme ich am Wohlstand teil, und mache Verdienste', erfährt er Segen, erfährt er Freude. Dieses wird der Segen von Wohlstand [Gebrauch zu machen] genannt.

"Und was ist der Segen von Schuldenfreiheit? Da ist der Fall, daß ein Sohn aus guter Familie keine Schulden hat, groß oder klein, gegenüber niemandem. Wenn er denkt: 'Ich habe keine Schulden, werder groß noch klein, gegenüber niemanden', erfährt er Segen, erfährt er Freude. Dieses wird der Segen von Schuldenfreiheit genannt.

"Und was ist der Segen von Tadellosigkeit? Da ist der Fall, daß eine Schüler der Noblen, bestückt mit tadellosem körperlichen Kamma [Handlung], tadellosem sprachlichen Kamma, tadellosem geistigen Kamma, ist. Wenn er denkt: 'Ich bin mit tadellosem körperlichen Kamma, tadellosem sprachlichen Kamma, tadellosem geistigen Kamma bestückt', erfährt er Segen, erfährt er Freude. Dieses wird der Segen von Tadellosigkeit genannt.

"Dieses sind die vier Arten von Segen, die zu passender Zeit erlangt werden können, zu passendem Anlaß, von einem Haushälter, der an Sinnlichkeit teil nimmt."

Den Segen von Schuldenfreiheit kennend,
und sich dem Segen von Haben erinnernd,
den Segen von Wohlstand genießend, der Sterbliche
dann mit klarer Einsicht sieht.
Klar sehend — der Weise —
      beide Seiten er kennt:
das diese nicht gleich wert einen Sechzehntel Sechzehntel sind,
   des Segens von Tadellosigkeit.

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Anana Sutta: Debtless

Then Anathapindika the householder went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to him, sat to one side. As he was sitting there the Blessed One said to him: "There are these four kinds of bliss that can be attained in the proper season, on the proper occasions, by a householder partaking of sensuality. Which four? The bliss of having, the bliss of [making use of] wealth, the bliss of debtlessness, the bliss of blamelessness.

"And what is the bliss of having? There is the case where the son of a good family has wealth earned through his efforts & enterprise, amassed through the strength of his arm, and piled up through the sweat of his brow, righteous wealth righteously gained. When he thinks, 'I have wealth earned through my efforts & enterprise, amassed through the strength of my arm, and piled up through the sweat of my brow, righteous wealth righteously gained,' he experiences bliss, he experiences joy. This is called the bliss of having.

"And what is the bliss of [making use of] wealth? There is the case where the son of a good family, using the wealth earned through his efforts & enterprise, amassed through the strength of his arm, and piled up through the sweat of his brow, righteous wealth righteously gained, partakes of his wealth and makes merit. When he thinks, 'Using the wealth earned through my efforts & enterprise, amassed through the strength of my arm, and piled up through the sweat of my brow, righteous wealth righteously gained, I partake of wealth and make merit,' he experiences bliss, he experiences joy. This is called the bliss of [making use of] wealth.

"And what is the bliss of debtlessness? There is the case where the son of a good family owes no debt, great or small, to anyone at all. When he thinks, 'I owe no debt, great or small, to anyone at all,' he experiences bliss, he experiences joy. This is called the bliss of debtlessness.

"And what is the bliss of blamelessness? There is the case where a disciple of the noble ones is endowed with blameless bodily kamma, blameless verbal kamma, blameless mental kamma. When he thinks, 'I am endowed with blameless bodily kamma, blameless verbal kamma, blameless mental kamma,' he experiences bliss, he experiences joy. This is called the bliss of blamelessness.

"These are the four kinds of bliss that can be attained in the proper season, on the proper occasions, by a householder partaking of sensuality."

Knowing the bliss of debtlessness,
& recollecting the bliss of having,
enjoying the bliss of wealth, the mortal
then sees clearly with discernment.
Seeing clearly — the wise one —
      he knows both sides:
that these are not worth one sixteenth-sixteenth
   of the bliss of blamelessness.
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Antw:Über Handel und Schuldenfreiheit - About trade and Deptlessness
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2015, 02:23:44 PM »

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Vanijja Sutta: Handel

Dann ging der Ehrw. Sariputta zum Befreiten, und mit Ankunft, sich vor ihm verneigt habend, setzte er sich an eine Seite. Als er dort saß, sagte er zum Befreiten: "Was ist die Ursache, Herr, was ist der Grund, daß gewisser Handel, wenn von manchen Leuten unternommen, sich als ein Verlust heraus stellt? Was ist die Ursache, was ist der Grund, daß die selbe Arten des Handels, wenn von anderen Leuten unternommen, sich als unerwartet heraus stellt? Was ist die Ursache, was ist der Grund, daß die selbe Art des Handels, wenn von anderen Leuten unternommen, sich als erwartet heraus stellt? Was ist die Ursache, was ist der Grund, daß die selbe Art des Handels, wenn von anderen Leuten unternommen, sich als besser als erwartet heraus stellt?"

"Da ist der Fall, Sariputta, daß eine gewisse Person, zu einem Brahmanen oder Besinnlichen gegangen, ihm eine Gabe darbietet: 'Sagt mir, Herr, was ihr benötigt, in Begriffen von [den vier] Bedarfsmittel.' Aber er gibt nicht was er darbietet. Wenn er von dort scheidet und hier her kommt, dann, in was immer Handel er sich bemüht, stellt er sich als Verlust heraus.

"Dann ist da der Fall, daß eine gewisse Person, zu einem Brahmanen oder Besinnlichen gegangen, ihm ein Gabe darbietet: 'Sagt mir, Herr, was ihr benötigt, in Begriffen von [den vier] Bedarfsmittel.' Aber er gibt ihm etwas andere, als er sich von der Gabe erwartete. Wenn er von dort scheidet und hier her kommt, dann, in was immer Handel er sich bemüht, stellt er sich als unerwartet heraus.

"Dann ist da der Fall, daß eine gewisse Person, zu einem Brahmanen oder Besinnlichen gegangen, ihm ein Gabe darbietet: 'Sagt mir, Herr, was ihr benötigt, in Begriffen von [den vier] Bedarfsmittel.' Er gibt ihm was er von der Gabe erwartet. Wenn er von dort scheidet und hier her kommt, dann, in was immer Handel er sich bemüht, stellt er sich als erwartet heraus.

"Dann ist da der Fall, daß eine gewisse Person, zu einem Brahmanen oder Besinnlichen gegangen, ihm ein Gabe darbietet: 'Sagt mir, Herr, was ihr benötigt, in Begriffen von [den vier] Bedarfsmittel.' Er gibt ihm mehr als er von der Gabe erwartet. Wenn er von dort scheidet und hier her kommt, dann, in was immer Handel er sich bemüht, stellt er sich als mehr als erwartet heraus.

"Dieses ist die Ursache, Sariputta, dieses ist der Grund, warum sich gewisser Handel, wenn von manchen Leuten unternommen, als ein Verlust heraus stellt; warum sich die selbe Arten des Handels, wenn von anderen Leuten unternommen, als unerwartet heraus stellt; warum sich die selbe Art des Handels, wenn von anderen Leuten unternommen, als erwartet heraus stellt; warum die selbe Art des Handels, wenn von anderen Leuten unternommen, als besser als erwartet heraus stellt."

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Vanijja Sutta: Trade

Then Ven. Sariputta went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to him, sat to one side. As he was sitting there he said to the Blessed One, "What is the reason, lord, what is the cause why a certain trade, when engaged in by some people, turns out a failure? What is the reason, what is the cause why the same sort of trade, when engaged in by other people, turns out not as intended? What is the reason, what is the cause why the same sort of trade, when engaged in by other people, turns out as intended? What is the reason, what is the cause why the same sort of trade, when engaged in by other people, turns out better than intended?"

"There is the case, Sariputta, where a certain person, having gone to a brahman or contemplative, makes him an offer: 'Tell me, sir, what you need in terms of the [four] requisites.' But he doesn't give what he offered. If he passes away from there and comes here, then whatever trade he engages in, it turns out a failure.

"Then there is the case where a certain person, having gone to a brahman or contemplative, makes him an offer: 'Tell me, sir, what you need in terms of the [four] requisites.' But he gives him something other than what he intended by the offer. If he passes away from there and comes here, then whatever trade he engages in, it turns out not as intended.

"Then there is the case where a certain person, having gone to a brahman or contemplative, makes him an offer: 'Tell me, sir, what you need in terms of the [four] requisites.' He gives him what he intended by the offer. If he passes away from there and comes here, then whatever trade he engages in, it turns out as intended.

"Then there is the case where a certain person, having gone to a brahman or contemplative, makes him an offer: 'Tell me, sir, what you need in terms of the [four] requisites.' He gives him more than what he intended by the offer. If he passes away from there and comes here, then whatever trade he engages in, it turns out better than intended.

"This is the reason, Sariputta, this is the cause why a certain trade, when engaged in by some people, turns out a failure; why the same sort of trade, when engaged in by other people, turns out not as intended; why the same sort of trade, when engaged in by other people, turns out as intended; why the same sort of trade, when engaged in by other people, turns out better than intended."
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Re: Über Handel und Schuldenfreiheit - About trade and Deptlessness
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2019, 09:14:14 PM »

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Whould the changing ones mind (faking) toward ones vacīkamma (action by speech) then stay as fault or not, Brah Ang? If the vacīkamma that one left behind spoken before, would not be followed, because change/fake is a fault of wrongness, if getting later additional info?

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Sadhu for further going into. Not sure if the question is right understood, Nyom. Maybe Nyom could bring up a sample. It's very importand part of right speech and one can see the impact and relation to trade very clear. For Sila is the reason of wealth and people who act like they say are always seen as successful, while insuccessful are those who tend to speak and promise much but fail then or forget.

Hardly ever "unlucky" change their tendencies and of course it looks strange if reminding another as receiver.

It's surely worthy to give a talk on it, althought many will possible believe that one speaks in own interest. A very related topic "changing one mind" is here discussed. It's not always a fault if changing one mind, quite a contract, especially if it's fullfilling would require doing wrong, or if striving after higher instead. Remember the flower seller who had a contract with the king but on the way offered the flowers to the Buddha instead.

Is changing your mind same as lying? Breaking promises

As it is a part of wrong speech, done often toward people of goodness here, Atma tries to give a talk in Khmer later as well.
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Some words on it in Khmer:


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Trade issue - while dealing to organize Dana for Sangha
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Ein oder mehrer Beiträge wurden hier im Thema abgeschnitten und damit in neues Thema "Trade issue - while dealing to organize Dana for Sangha " eröffnet, dem angehäng.
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