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2024 Mar 24 19:07:11
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ 😌

2024 Mar 24 14:13:29
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 24 06:25:25
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha by following the conducts of the Arahats.

2024 Mar 23 13:11:16
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_

2024 Mar 21 01:07:56
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Mar 21 00:28:58
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 20 14:25:49
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 20 12:06:29
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Mar 20 11:24:06
blazer: Good morning everyone  _/\_

2024 Mar 18 21:42:50
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 18 19:43:59
Dhammañāṇa: Mudita, Nyom.

2024 Mar 18 19:36:35
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Undertaking this Sila day at my best.

2024 Mar 18 06:17:10
Dhammañāṇa: Those who undertake the Sila day today: may it be of much metta.

2024 Mar 18 02:16:41
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 17 21:09:31
អរិយវង្ស: 🚬🚬🚬

2024 Mar 17 06:30:53
Dhammañāṇa: Metta-full Sila day, those after it today.

2024 Mar 17 00:02:34
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 11 09:16:04
Dhammañāṇa: Once totally caught by google, AI and machines, every door has been closed for long, long term.

2024 Mar 11 09:14:04
Dhammañāṇa: People at large just wait that another would do his/her duty. Once a slight door to run back, they are gone. By going again just for debts, the wheel of running away turns on.

2024 Mar 10 18:59:10
Dhammañāṇa: Less are those who don't use the higher Dhamma not for defilement-defence, less those who don't throw the basics away and turn back to sensuality "with ease".

2024 Mar 10 06:51:11
Dhammañāṇa: A auspicious new-moon Uposatha for those observing it today.

2024 Mar 09 06:34:39
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed New-moon Uposatha, and birth reminder day of a monarchy of wonders.

2024 Mar 08 21:39:54
Dhammañāṇa: The best way to keep an Ashram silent is to put always duties and Sila high. If wishing it populated, put meditation (eating) on the first place.

2024 Mar 03 21:27:27
Dhammañāṇa: May those undertaking the Sila day today, spend it off in best ways, similar those who go after the days purpose tomorrow.

2024 Feb 25 22:10:33
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 24 06:42:35
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Māgha Pūjā and Full moon Uposatha with much reason for good recallings of goodness.

2024 Feb 24 01:50:55
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 23 06:39:57
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Feb 23 00:19:58
blazer: Taken flu again... at least leg pain has been better managed since many weeks and it's the greatest benefit. Hope Bhante Dhammañāṇa is fine  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 01:06:43
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 00:02:37
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 17 18:47:31
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of todays Sila-day.

2024 Feb 17 18:46:59
Dhammañāṇa: Chau Marco, chau...

2024 Feb 16 23:32:59
blazer: Just ended important burocratic and medical stuff. I will check for a flight for Cambodia soon  _/\_

2024 Feb 09 16:08:32
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 12:17:31
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 06:42:17
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed New moon Uposatha and last day of the Chinese year of the rabbit, entering the Year of the Naga wisely.

2024 Feb 02 21:17:28
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 02 19:53:28
Dhammañāṇa: May all have the possibility to spend a pleasing rest of Sila day, having given goodness and spend a faultless day.

2024 Jan 26 14:40:25
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 25 10:02:46
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Full moon Uposatha.

2024 Jan 11 06:37:21
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 07 06:31:20
Dhammañāṇa: May many, by skilful deeds,  go for real and lasting independence today

2024 Jan 06 18:00:36
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 16:57:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 12:33:08
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila-day, full of metta in thoughts, speech and deeds.

2023 Dec 30 20:21:07
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 27 23:18:38
Dhammañāṇa: May the rest of a bright full moon Uposatha serve many as a blessed day of good deeds.

2023 Dec 26 23:12:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 24 16:52:50
Dhammañāṇa: May all who celebrated the birth of their prophet, declaring them his ideas of reaching the Brahma realm, spend peaceful days with family and reflect the goodness near around them, virtuous, generously.

2023 Dec 20 21:36:37
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 20 06:54:09
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by conducting in peacefull manners.

2023 Dec 12 23:45:24
blazer:  _/\_

2023 Dec 12 20:34:26
Dhammañāṇa: choice, yes  :)

2023 Dec 12 13:23:35
blazer: If meaning freedom of choice i understand and agree

2023 Dec 12 12:48:42
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 12 06:13:23
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a great New Moon Uposatha, following the conducts of the Arahats.

2023 Dec 10 12:51:16
Dhammañāṇa: The more freedom of joice, the more troubled in regard of what's right, what's wrong. My person does not say that people at large are prepared for freedom of joice even a little.

2023 Dec 10 10:59:42
blazer: Hope they eat more mindfully than how they talk. It is clear for the gross food, we had more than a talk about this topic. I have put so much effort in mindful eating at the temple, but when i was back i wanted more refined food. I was used to get a choice of more than 10 dishes every day

2023 Dec 10 06:57:44
Dhammañāṇa: A person eating on unskilled thoughts will last defiled, Nyom. Gross food does nothing for purification at all.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:58
blazer: I've had a couple of not nice experiences with monks that were not so pure in my opinion. They surely eat far better than me at temple.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:41
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 09 11:38:36
Dhammañāṇa: Spiritual prostitution, just another way of livelihood.

2023 Dec 05 20:59:38
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 27 14:47:22
អរិយវង្ស:   _/\_ _/\__/\_

2023 Nov 27 05:41:32
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Anapanasati- Fullmoon and reflect the goodness of Ven Sāriputta as well today.

2023 Nov 20 19:18:13
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 20 18:20:15
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 20 02:48:24
Moritz: Hello _/\_ Still possible to join: An-other Journey into the East 2023/24

2023 Nov 18 13:55:11
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 12 01:09:01
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2023 Nov 12 00:45:21
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 19:42:10
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 07:17:02
Dhammañāṇa: សិលា​នាំ​ទៅ​រក​ឯករាជ្យ​នៃ​ជាតិ! សូមឱ្យមនុស្សជាច្រើនប្រារព្ធទិវាឯករាជ្យ(ពី)ជាតិ។

2023 Nov 09 07:06:56
Dhammañāṇa: Sila leads to independence of Jati! May many observe a conductive Independence day.

2023 Nov 07 00:54:02
Dhammañāṇa: Nyoum

2023 Nov 07 00:39:55
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 15:47:51
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 12:21:27
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila observation day today.

2023 Oct 30 15:17:36
Dhammañāṇa: It's common in to give up that what's given to do assist me toward release, common that seeking security in what binds.

2023 Oct 30 13:22:27
អរិយវង្ស: ព្រះអង្គ :) កូណាលុប delta chat ហើយ :D _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 23 18:56:09
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 22 20:36:01
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of this Sila-day.

2023 Oct 19 20:31:12
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom Sreyneang

2023 Oct 15 07:07:01
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 14 06:53:21
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a New moon Uposatha based on goodwill for all, find seclusion in the middle of family duties.

2023 Sep 29 07:35:30
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:23:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:03:11
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha and begin of the ancestor weeks by lived metta and virtue: lived gratitude toward all being, toward one self.

2023 Sep 22 22:07:43
Dhammañāṇa: If no rush turn toward reducing sensuality and make Silas the top of priority, it's to fear that an Atomic conflic will be chosen soon, in the battle of control of the "drugs".

2023 Sep 22 14:59:39
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 22 06:35:51
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Uposatha Observance on this Sila-day, by conducting similar the Arahats.

2023 Sep 16 19:29:27
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 16 19:29:13
blazer: Hello everyone! I've just come back home. I had a long trip and no sleep for more than 30 hours, but currently feel quite good. I've had a good experience, i'm happy. I've found out much inspiration and many ideas about the training and the holy life. I'll recollect and write about them as soon as i've taken some rest. Hope to find you all well and in good health  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 15 05:25:24
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 14 21:09:49
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of New moon Uposatha today (later as no connection before).

2023 Sep 10 01:55:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_?

2023 Sep 09 18:52:54
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 09 18:52:28
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 08 06:19:20
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by maintaining goodwill toward all, not only by deeds and speech, but with nine factors, incl. a mind full of metta.

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Author Topic: Male via female abilities - The big global controversy  (Read 3515 times)

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Male via female abilities - The big global controversy
« on: October 06, 2013, 09:44:32 AM »
* Johann has allowed him self to cut of some posts from Sangha feminin, masculin or neutral? Der, die oder das Sangha oder ganz ohne? , as they are naturally high emotional and full of bias. So maybe its good to have a separate topic to work a little on that. Hope that is not to regulatory seen, but as a additional possibility.  :-* And to understand certain views and their origin.

Thanks a lot for all your explaining, TheY, I would have a lot to learn.

I guess the real reason of the topic is not so easy to understand. Its more about a notion that come which the article in German and not so much about gramma it self.

Also to state male is more "vigorous", would be dangerous. Thinking on Asian males for example, it is simply wrong. The moving power is always female, whether in business or in family.

So the thing is much about conceit in birth (sex) and therefor a very hot topic. Of cause we know that a Brahman (bhikkhu-ni) or what ever is made by action/deeds on and on, aside of birth.

The neuter use here (if you talk about the use of sangham.net) derives from Sanskrit and can be understood as "to go or come together, come into contact, meet", so somehow like "Saṅghaṃ saraṇaṃ gacchāmi."
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Re: Male via femal abilities - The big global controverse
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2013, 04:40:51 AM »
Democracy: Man and woman can have vigorous.
Kamma: Man and woman can have vigorous upon their previous kamma.

Woman previous kamma, made them weak--bleed every month, hard to make muscle, hard to tall, hard to control their emotion, ้hard to keep their intention.

So who thinking "who can decide to do is vigorous", they're wrong.
Because vigorous is deciding, keeping, success, etc. It isn't only deciding.
Fickle-person often decided, but they often can't keep and succeed their intention, too.

And so who thinking "everyone can succeed intention, so everyone is vigorous", they're wrong.
Because vigorous has not for everyone, such as tihetuka-paṭisandhi, ekahetuka-paṭisandhi, and ahetukapaṭisandhi has not vigorous of enlightenment.
Also, patient--such as  bleeding and bled woman, or weakling--such as no muscle woman,  have lesser vigorous more than general person, male.

And so who thinking "vigorous is not relate with born", they're wrong.
Because 19 paṭisandhi-citta can  limit vigorous of person, and make many  personal vigorous limitation.

Democratic person succeed to use science to get pañcakāmaguṇa. However, brahm can more ้honestly access science than democratic person.

Example: Democratic person claim science to deny next born. But brahm believe in next born in the wrong  way.


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Re: Male via femal abilities - The big global controverse
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2013, 09:34:44 AM »
Dear theY,

I guess I totally understand what you try to say. Anyway, please understand that modern people are ensnared with the "You can (get what you want)!" - Illusion and do not so easy understand that things are coming by deeds and developed condition.

How ever, we need to be careful to make no generalizations as it easily leads to caste thinking which is actually, even if denied, the normal way of SEAsian thinking.

So it is wise if it is between Demo-cracy and linear kamma - thinking.

TheY, you need to know that such declarations, as you made, would count as very discriminating and you need to know that it is in a woman ruled country.

Who says woman can not be vigorous and get muscles?



I guess we could cut of some parts here and make a separate Topic out of it, what do you think?

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Re: Male via femal abilities - The big global controverse
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2013, 01:50:45 PM »
Dear theY,

I guess I totally understand what you try to say. Anyway, please understand
 that modern people are ensnared with the "You can (get what you want)!" -
Illusion and do not so easy understand that things are coming by deeds
and developed condition.

I understood this topic, since I wrote "Democracy", so I didn't denied
your reply, anyway. However, I categorized them in democracy principle,
not in kamma principle. Do you know "Why?"--hint: not about SEA I just write
only on dhamma principle.)[/b]

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How ever, we need to be careful to make no generalizations as it easily leads
to caste thinking which is actually, even if denied, the normal way of SEAsian thinking.

So it is wise if it is between Demo-cracy and linear kamma - thinking.

TheY, you need to know that such declarations, as you made, would count as very
discriminating and you need to know that it is in a woman ruled country.

I have not discussed by democracy principle. I discussing by dhamma principle.
Top to bottom of my each reply come out from dhamma principle and pali text.
SEA thinking derived from dhamma, so you thought I let it from SEA.
Come back to dhamma, and claim dhamma more and more.

Also why female can free-discuss about us, but we can't discuss them. Is that fair?

Moreover we talking in academic principle, not slandering them.

discriminating by māna is one. And discriminating by paññā is another one.
If you can't seperate them. You can't let academic talking arise in this topic, too.

Please, don't let dhamma be what dhamma is not. I just analyzing
democracy by dhamma in book, with science. I'm not discriminating.

Every words of me can claim to pali text. When you say "discriminating",
you saying "pali text discriminating". You saying "science discriminating", too.

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Who says woman can not be vigorous and get muscles?



You concentrating on democracy, and woman's rights more than dhamma.
Democracy just a part of dhamma, but you act like democracy can decide everything.

You cut my dhamma words/points off then walking dead about democracy, and woman's rights.

I'm sorry to ask, "are you a democrazy religious people?".

If not, why you cut off my dhamma words? Why you don't ask me about that word anytime?

1. I said "hard to make muscle". But you cut "hard"-- that is dhamma, off,
then make the rest words to be democracy by said "Who says woman
can not be vigorous and get muscles?"

2. I said...
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(a) Democracy: Man and woman can have vigorous.
(b) Kamma: Man and woman can have vigorous upon their previous kamma.

But you cut "(a)" off ,then make the rest words to be democracy by said...

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I guess I totally understand what you try to say. Anyway,
please understand that modern people are ensnared with the
"You can (get what you want)!" - Illusion and do not so easy understand
that things are coming by deeds and developed condition.

"Democracy: Man and woman can have vigorous." show "You can (get what you want)!" in itself.

Why you act like I said not?

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I guess we could cut of some parts here and make a separate Topic out of it, what do you think?

Great!

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Can you mind my dhamma words more?
Why you mind more democracy than dhamma?
Why you don't thing in pali-text more than samaṇa should do?
I claim many words from pāli and science, but why you overpass them?

There is unfair that I understand your democracy mind,
while you didn't under stand my words such as woman previous kamma,
"tihetuka-paṭisandhi, ekahetuka-paṭisandhi, and ahetukapaṭisandhi has not
vigorous of enlightenment", vigorous is not relate with born,
19 paṭisandhi-citta relation with personal vigorous limitation,
honestly access science.

It seem to be misbehave to accuse "you  not understand my word".
But I mind your mind, so I have thought in your democracy
thinking before said that word.


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Don't be serious, I just try to get you out of  limitation of democracy.
Kamma has a part that be democracy and a part that not be democracy, too.
Again, all democracy is dhamma, but democracy isn't equal to dhamma.

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Re: Male via female abilities - The big global controversy
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2013, 02:13:04 PM »
Dear TheY,

sorry for causing you some misunderstandings. Really nothing to worry and I understand what you like to tell.

Thanks for sharing all your thoughts and investigation. Of course your are right, if you had the realization that Democracy is actually not really Buddhas way, as it would be always just Demonstrative Crazy. In fact, even for the Sangha actions, a democracy is just one part of many ways tp acts and in fact, not really similar to what is the normal notion of democracy.

Dhamma is not dependent on quantity, but on quality and the tool of vote in dependence of quantity should be only used if the quality is ensured.   

So don't worry, I fully understand you and most parts agree with you. Nevertheless we need to be careful to fall not into the other extreme of authority, especially by birth and position, which is the other extreme.

Since the today's drunkenness in rights and being demo-cracy is very present in SEA I fully understand the aversion against this western influence. How ever, the greed will win any way and we need to face that old traditions are gone. One old culture after the other will fall and if we do not accept this very nature of decay we will suffer even more.

We know all the extreme in fighting against such sensualisation of societies. Holocaust of the WWII, Khmer rouge, today's Muslim extremism, all of that is always a effect of fighting against nature and brings additional harm.

So really don't worry that I do not understand what you mean and you can be sure that I do neither advocate democracy nor deny it. What ever act is out of wisdom is good, and actually the mainstream can by nature not act wisely, but can be used to give wise decisions more power for a good.

So the only possibility today is, to put much effort in teaching people to understand.

That's why we have this topic here and I hope good battles will bring some insight.

How ever, it need to be done carefully, people are very proud of their achievement called democracy, as they believe that freedom to take, and giving moods more power is liberation.

Much explaining are necessary here and we would lose much possibilities if we do not use this given freedom to talk about here for a better understanding.

"Again, all democracy is dhamma (natural phemonena), but democracy isn't equal to (The) dhamma."

Good saying!

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Re: Male via female abilities - The big global controversy
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2013, 04:27:49 PM »
Oh, my english get better level ^.^

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Re: Male via female abilities - The big global controversy
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2013, 04:42:13 PM »
* Johann likes to express: Sure, but if you like to develop good English, do not learn to much of mine, since it is not really good. So in case of language (English) be sure that you can ask our Friends Aramika Moritz or Aramikini Sophorn here, they are pretty good with it and trustworthy and mistrust mine twice!  :) So I am more a kind of mirror, if you understand.
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