Posted by: Dhammañāṇa
« on: May 06, 2017, 12:56:19 PM »If someone says publicly that he has achieved nirvana , can it be true ?
Venerable members of the Sangha,
walking in front Fellows in leading the holly life.
In Respect of the Triple Gems, Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha, in Respect of the Elders of the community , my person tries to answer this question. Please, may all knowledgeable Venerables and Dhammika, out of compassion, correct my person, if something is not correct and fill also graps, if something is missing.
Valued Upasaka, Upasika, Aramika(inis),
dear Readers and Visitors,
(This is a maybe modified and expanded answer of the "original" that can be found here
. )
Mr/Mrs Lasan
Why not? "Off (good) cause" there are reasons why not and on (good) course reasons why.
It's rather foolish to say that an awakened would not share past merits if conuctive or would anybody like to say the Buddha him self lived a paradox? If such is needed if there is still the reputation on the Buddha avaliable is another question and depends on mainly that so that people possible lend an ear.
Since an Arahat (especially) would not "claim" such for certain low puposes, not to speak of evil, he might not violate even a precept or rule (how could he?)
Now, how ever it might be, the is of course no bigger thiefing as to be a cheater of the world and either lay men or monk or Bhikkhu, male or female, would risk really much if doing such for any lower purpose and telling a conscious ly in doing such. As for a Bhikkhu he would cut him self of be part of the Sanghas membership. (See more in BMC1 Pr4)
But:
For example a clear indication that such sharing of merits are not bad at first hand but has rather to do with generaly *issa* in certain communities believing equanimity is the highes virtue:
[Feel personal always invited to share such merits here: "Ich bin ein Stromgewinner!" - "I am a stream-winner!"
]
(Note: This is a gift of Dhamma and not meant for commercial use or other purposes for wordily gains.)
Anumodana!
Anumodana!
[Übersetzung ins Deutsche wäre gut]
Quote from: Lasan on Bu-SE
When you achieve nirvana , you have given up yourself. There is no person anymore. But my question is , if someone says publicly that he is arahat , is there a possibility that it can be true?
Venerable members of the Sangha,
walking in front Fellows in leading the holly life.
In Respect of the Triple Gems, Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha, in Respect of the Elders of the community
, my person tries to answer this question. Please, may all knowledgeable Venerables and Dhammika, out of compassion, correct my person, if something is not correct and fill also graps, if something is missing.Valued Upasaka, Upasika, Aramika(inis),
dear Readers and Visitors,
(This is a maybe modified and expanded answer of the "original" that can be found here
. )Mr/Mrs Lasan
Why not? "Off (good) cause" there are reasons why not and on (good) course reasons why.
It's rather foolish to say that an awakened would not share past merits if conuctive or would anybody like to say the Buddha him self lived a paradox? If such is needed if there is still the reputation on the Buddha avaliable is another question and depends on mainly that so that people possible lend an ear.
Since an Arahat (especially) would not "claim" such for certain low puposes, not to speak of evil, he might not violate even a precept or rule (how could he?)
Now, how ever it might be, the is of course no bigger thiefing as to be a cheater of the world and either lay men or monk or Bhikkhu, male or female, would risk really much if doing such for any lower purpose and telling a conscious ly in doing such. As for a Bhikkhu he would cut him self of be part of the Sanghas membership. (See more in BMC1
Pr4)But:
For example a clear indication that such sharing of merits are not bad at first hand but has rather to do with generaly *issa* in certain communities believing equanimity is the highes virtue:
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa
Then Anathapindika the householder, surrounded by about 500 lay followers, went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to him, sat to one side. So the Blessed One said to Ven. Sariputta: "Sariputta, when you know of a householder clothed in white, that he is restrained in terms of the five training rules and that he obtains at will, without difficulty, without hardship, four pleasant mental abidings in the here & now, then if he wants he may state about himself: 'Hell is ended; animal wombs are ended; the state of the hungry shades is ended; states of deprivation, destitution, the bad bourns are ended! I am a stream-winner, steadfast, never again destined for states of woe, headed for self-awakening!'
"Now, in terms of which five training rules is he restrained?
"There is the case where a disciple of the noble ones abstains from taking life, abstains from taking what is not given, abstains from illicit sex, abstains from lying, abstains from distilled & fermented drinks that cause heedlessness.
"These are the five training rules in terms of which he is restrained.
"And which four pleasant mental abidings in the here & now does he obtain at will, without difficulty, without hardship?
"There is the case where the disciple of the noble ones is endowed with verified confidence in the Awakened One: 'Indeed, the Blessed One is worthy & rightly self-awakened, consummate in knowledge & conduct, well-gone, an expert with regard to the world, unexcelled as a trainer for those people fit to be tamed, the Teacher of divine & human beings, awakened, blessed.' This is the first pleasant mental abiding in the here & now that he has attained, for the purification of the mind that is impure, for the cleansing of the mind that is unclean.
"Furthermore, he is endowed with verified confidence in the Dhamma: 'The Dhamma is well-expounded by the Blessed One, to be seen here & now, timeless, inviting verification, pertinent, to be realized by the wise for themselves.' This is the second pleasant mental abiding in the here & now that he has attained, for the purification of the mind that is impure, for the cleansing of the mind that is unclean.
"Furthermore, he is endowed with verified confidence in the Sangha: 'The Sangha of the Blessed One's disciples who have practiced well... who have practiced straight-forwardly... who have practiced methodically... who have practiced masterfully — in other words, the four pairs, the eight individuals [1] — they are the Sangha of the Blessed One's disciples: worthy of gifts, worthy of hospitality, worthy of offerings, worthy of respect, the incomparable field of merit for the world.' This is the third pleasant mental abiding in the here & now that he has attained, for the purification of the mind that is impure, for the cleansing of the mind that is unclean.
"Furthermore, he is endowed with virtues that are appealing to the noble ones: untorn, unbroken, unspotted, unsplattered, liberating, praised by the wise, untarnished, leading to concentration. This is the fourth pleasant mental abiding in the here & now that he has attained, for the purification of the mind that is impure, for the cleansing of the mind that is unclean.
"These are the four pleasant mental abidings in the here & now that he obtains at will, without difficulty, without hardship.
"Sariputta, when you know of a householder clothed in white, that he is restrained in terms of the five training rules and that he obtains at will, without difficulty, without hardship, four pleasant mental abidings in the here & now, then if he wants he may state about himself: 'Hell is ended; animal wombs are ended; the state of the hungry shades is ended; states of deprivation, destitution, the bad bourns are ended! I am a stream-winner, steadfast, never again destined for states of woe, headed for self-awakening!'
Seeing the danger in hells,
the wise would shun evils,
would shun them,
taking on the noble Dhamma.
You shouldn't kill living beings
existing, striving;
shouldn't grasp what isn't given.
Content with your own wife,
don't delight in the wives of others.
You shouldn't drink drinks,
distilled, fermented,
that confuse the mind.
Recollect
the self-awakened one.
Think often
of the Dhamma.
Develop a mind
useful, devoid of ill will,
for the sake of the heavenly world.
When hoping for merit,
provide gifts first
to those peaceful ones, ideal,
to whom what is offered, given,
becomes abundant [in fruit].
I will tell you of those peaceful ones,
Sariputta.
Listen to me.
In a herd of cattle,
whether black, white,
ruddy, brown,
dappled, uniform,
or pigeon gray:
if a bull is born —
tame, enduring,
consummate in strength,
& swift —
people yoke him to burdens,
regardless of his color.
In the same way,
wherever one is born
among human beings —
noble warriors, brahmans,
merchants, workers,
outcastes, or scavengers —
if one is tame, with good practices,
righteous, consummate in virtue,
a speaker of truth, with conscience at heart,
one
who's abandoned birth & death,
completed the holy life
put down the burden,
done the task
fermentation-free,
gone beyond all dhammas,
through lack of clinging unbound:
offerings to this spotless field
bear an abundance of fruit.
But fools, unknowing,
dull, uninformed,
give gifts outside
and don't come near the good.
While those who do come near the good
— regarded as enlightened,
wise —
whose trust in the One Well-gone
has taken root,
is established & firm:
they go to the world of the devas
or are reborn here in good family.
Step by step
they reach
Unbinding
: they
who are wise."
Quote from: Gihi Sutta: The Householder
[Feel personal always invited to share such merits here: "Ich bin ein Stromgewinner!" - "I am a stream-winner!"
](Note: This is a gift of Dhamma and not meant for commercial use or other purposes for wordily gains.)
Anumodana!
Anumodana!
[Übersetzung ins Deutsche wäre gut]