ការលួចចម្លងព្រះត្រៃបិដកខ្មែ Undertaking to copy-steal Khmer Tipitaka by SC-monks

[Johann]

Aramika  

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Currently the degenerated group of punk monks and nuns are public put efforts to steal the Khmer Tipitaka so as to further accumulate the credits of the Elders and the Gems for their Marxis plunder undertakings and promotion of social unrest for their low gains.

Not a little ashamed to public take of what isn't given and encourage others to assist.

https://discourse.suttacentral.net/t/help-me-find-ebts-in-khmer/22954

As normally impossible to keep deluded and greedy people from wrong doing, as wrong view says 'Ihave a right', it's merely just a historical mention, so that people later would know how things and the Gems got lost in this world.

[Johann]

Can Nyom Moritz try to get in contact with Churchwill Dylan, as the chief thief usually uses naive or dependencies to progress stealing. My person tried again to address Ayya at Charlotte, but there is much reason to believe that these thieves are for maintaining certain relations, like men go out to steal for their wives desires... as clear their minds to be seen, it wouldn't be possible to lead them letting go of grave wrong tracks.

Not sure whether Nyom Norum could be reached to also address the vietnamese Monks.

[Johann]

My person could reach out via the message portal of Charlotte Vihara to Ayya Sudhamma

Dear Venerable,

Oh no, I'm so sorry!  I myself asked him & his community to try to find Khmer scriptures for the benefit of Cambodian people, particularly a Cambodian nun whom I have been teaching. I alone am responsible for his sudden interest in these scriptures. Please forgive us. Is there some way to make things right?

Metta,
Sudhamma

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 7:22 PM [Charlotte Buddhist Vihara] <info@charlottebuddhistvihara.org> wrote:
From: Samana Johann <samana.johann@sangham.net>
Subject: Charlotte Buddhist Vihara Contact Form Submission

Message Body:
Good Ayya is maybe not aware, but the thieves of SC, leaded by Sujato Bhikkhu  , are currently undertaking to steal the Khmer Tipitaka.

As it is propably the last not plundered Dhamma, my person trusts that Ayya is wise enough to, at least counter act herself in regard of such ways. It is to be assumed that the chef thief of Noble Culture can not be brought back on line and with him those associate with him.

It would be good if Ayya makes clear to be not actively involved and support downfall activity.

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This e-mail was sent from a contact form on Charlotte Buddhist Vihara

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Good Ayya Sudhamma,

Good to hear that being not involved in their undertakings. Sadhu, Sadhu.

My person does not think that there had been anything wrong aside of possible association with what isn't good to associate, but it's surely hard for 'western' nuns to be not caught by this group opposing the tradition. Of course it could be also a heavy fault in certain circumstances.

My person has send the possibilities to make use of given means, and can not communicate with google and co. Ayya is welcome to make use. (email, sangham-account).

Best way, how ever, as there is a viral femal Sangha in Cambodia, is to be and stay in contact with the nuns of Wat Maha Panna Foundation , and Ayya Kammatthana .

They also have an own Tipitaka, yet not really touch able by the Sangha of Bhikkhus. Ayya would find it here, incl. notes: https://forum.sangham.net/index.php?topic=8624.msg14786#msg14786

As for the sangham-tipitaka, as already given (https://forum.sangham.net/index.php?topic=2446.0), transcription and raw prove-read is done after 7, 8 year by Upasika Norum, and my person works on editing it further into proper standard (maybe another 5 years till a draft can be given offical to the khmer Sangha).

May my person ask of who the Bhikkhuni Saddha is, as not known? My person got just in touch with a Samaneri ( Sadhajivi ) held strange ordination in Sri Lanka, with ( Mettajivi  Bhikkhuni).

As there is good contact to the Khmer Bhikkhuni Sangha, good if getting as soon as possible in touch, and good to use proper given means, not follow modern, householder ways, and ideas of "I have a right".


Btw, good Ayya,

helping children, dependencies, likewise in the tradition of the Noble Ones, would be done in Asian cultures always through the parents, trough the Nissaya. First to do not destry the bond and second, children and disciples of former other sects are very rebellious, whould not feel bond to Nissaya, thinking "I don't need, i relay on the Sangha" and soon become likewise marxist Sociaty in the west? (See support of new Bhikkhu by fellows: to be done via his Nissaya, and duties of disciple, not to receive and assist 'enemies' of ones Nissaya, in addition to the downfall danger for Bhikkhunis by wrong association).

The 'giving the leader, or parents, when wishing to support, and let them act, knowning their childrenj policy goes against western destructive ways which are up to destroy dependencies and lead to rebellion, disrespect and lack of gratitude, close up doors to path, fruits, Jhana.

Worthy to note that many posts by "Dylan" are liked by Ayya, encouraged...

[Johann]

Good Venerable,

the tradition opposing monks of Suttacentral leaded by Sujato, are currently progressing to copy-steal the Khmer Tipitaka. As good Venerable might be not aware and has not proper protected the Sangha heritage an Dana of devoted Layperson, it would be good to act in ways proper to avoid lose toward Devadatta.

Some infos:

Punk-monks are currently copy-stealing the Khmer-Tipitaka https://cambodiaexpatsonline.com/cambodian-culture-and-language/punk-monks-are-currently-copy-stealing-the-khmer-tipitaka-t48537.html

 "Sutta-DE-central" the never ending stories of foolishness https://forum.sangham.net/index.php?topic=629.msg27628#msg27628

https://discourse.suttacentral.net/t/help-me-find-ebts-in-khmer/22954

My person hardly encourages good Ven. to neither approve nor support this cultur thieving and downfall transgression.

[Johann]

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

...Thus from corrupt Dhamma comes corrupt discipline; from corrupt discipline, corrupt Dhamma...

Quote from: https://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/an/an05/an05.079.than_en.html

[Johann]

My person could reach Bhante Gunaghosa , short visiting FB. He thankful will try to help avoiding the thief. https://m.facebook.com/DanhBryan

Also it seems that "Dylan" is actuall a Khmer monk, study computer science and using disguise...

https://m.facebook.com/dydy.khmer.10

not so sure whether he got the message or not, yet, good to abound fbuaccount again.


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[Johann]

Cheating, deceitful, ... "eine Krähe hack der anderen kein Auge aus", meaning when highway-plunder get aware of each other, they even form union in the underground to progress to steal from the King.

One should now this thieve of the last no stolen Tipitaka till before, as the outwardly sign of the offical ending and distinction of this Sasana and Sangha in this world.

Like when people cut trees, occupy the Kings land, flooded forest, old rain forests..., destry it and make it even for their low purposes, thinking "we have a right", like anarchist are squattering, heritage of the old, even if taken back, replanted, those species who used to dwell in those forests are gone, no more way to ever reanimate this old lineage.

Like a downfall transgression can not be made undone, even if the victim might pardon the transgression, and no way for rehabilitation can be found, so one should see those fools, those "monks" and "nuns" around this and similar undertakings. Neither can they be helped to be not bond for long term pains nor their dependencies, the biggest thieves in this world.

Nothing more as stories of mighty and righteous being of the past will sometimes be visible for short for some, like someone in agricultural lands, former huge forest, might gain a short vision of wilderness and the sages having left the fools back on their killing fields in this world they are bond to husband for eons...

While communist undertakings like wikipedia at least returned it and had felt obligated at least to common laws, those "monks" and "nun", anarchists, don't care about any bodies possession, occupy all without shame, feed by the poor and those with wrong view, and a living of all kind of thieves, foremost that of selling out culture-thieves.

Of course, non of them could be rightly perceived to be related with the tripple Gems, even there was some in the past: cut off, destroyed, like a palm cut off it's top.

[Johann]

The fools think that they can take advantage of the greedy slaves for they opposing undertakings, but as soon the slaves see that they nevertheless can't grasp the Dhamma, they will be simply the victims of the mob of slaves by themselves. Themselves plundered off, downwardly they head.

What ever skills a fool would learn, what ever given, he will just use it for destroying his merits, cut off his relations upwardly and works for the harm of many. Where once high culture, huge forests, for long time they will suffer in their own made deserts.

Deceitful, thievery, with no shame and full of greeds... "Eine Krähe hackt der anderen kein Auge aus", meaning when thieves and corrupt people get aware of each other, carry all the same dirty cloth, theygo to the underground and share and exchange their thieves, make 'win-win' deals for the lose of many, focusing on their bellies first.

So one should now this as the thief of the last Tipitaka which wasn't stolen by communist and signs the offical end of this Dhamma-Vinaya in this world, gone, no more possible to restore, similar as once having done deliberately a downfall transgression, even the 'victim' would pardon afterwards, this kamma has been done, and no rehabilitation possible.

In this way one should see those 'monks' and 'nuns' involved around suttacentral and the fellowship as one of Devadatta, with no way to leave, bond and headed to long, long time suffering and nobody would be able to help them.

[Johann]

Bhante Gunaghosa just send information that he had added at least a statement that the translation belongs to the Khmer Sangha and may not be copied without permission of the authority and shared info on the occasion via FB. Sadhu, Sadhu

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Gunaghoso:
Here is what I can do! Have a nice day!


Johann:
Sadhu Sadhu

And stop receiving money for Dhamma! Sanghadisea 13 or even Pārājika 3!

Johann:

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Gunaghoso:
They also know that, it’s look like rude words, shouldn’t use that word on public.

Johann:
What about: "In high respect toward the Sublime Gems: I, Venerable Gunaghosa, am trying to take care of the Khmer-translation of the Tipitaka here (generously given by faithful Buddhaparisada), which is and remains the possession of the Khmer Sangha. Do not copy without permission except for own respectful study purpose. You may always share a link to this page and Sublime text. All mistakes here should be seen as my faults, and may the Tripple Gems pardon unintentional typing and other mistakes."?

Kana, how ever, thinks it would be better if Bhante makes further use of the domain sangham.net, since it is given and not wrong gained (by using money). No problem to make similar layout as well, once site references are added.

What has been obtained by money should be forfeit toward the Sangha. This page is total wrong in regard of Vinaya and nobody using it could gain Path or fruits.

Gunaghoso:
What do you mean to replace domain name to sangham.net? Who is the owner of sangham.net?

Johann:
Maybe Bhante likes to start to help to add short infos about single Suttas in the Indexes:

https://sangham.net/km/tipitaka/sut/mn/sut.mn

https://sangham.net/km/tipitaka/sut/dn/sut.dn

https://sangham.net/km/tipitaka/sut/an/sut.an

https://sangham.net/km/tipitaka/sut/sn/sut.sn

Bhante is given and invited to make use of all in proper manner on sangham.net, it's all Sangha-Dana.

If Bhante allows, Kana can maybe use his pages to add all page reverence to the singe book sites (originals) https://sangham.net/km/tipitaka/book_index

Gunaghoso:
I have no experience on forum or php code, so, let done what you can do, I can’t help.

Johann:
sangham.net has been given by Upasaka, Upasika, mainly Khmer but also other countries for the Sangha of the eight direction. Formal (worldly owner: Sophorn Ban and Moritz Raguschat, see imprint: https://sangham.net/en/imprint ) it's hosted currently in German with high secret copyright laws since no khmer domain yet.
Khmer Tipitaka was given by Upasika Norum toward the Sangha: https://forum.sangham.net/index.php?topic=2440.msg10628#msg10628

No, no. Its dokuwiki, similay to wiki pedia. Only txt-files, easy to do, Bhante. Bhante needs no it-skills at all, and Admin, Nyom Moritz, looks after IT (mathemathic dipl. ing.)

No money involved and 100% pure (on two sides purified, if Bhante understands)

Bhante could then later imbed the pages, or make redirect. No a new monk, spontanious going fouth came.

Gunaghoso:
I am khmer monk in Viet Nam, I am done what I can do for khmer online community. if you want to do something on your page sangham.net as the owner, just do it, I don’t care much.

Johann:

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Again, my person isn't owner. Sangha is owner and nobody can give things of the Sangha away. Bhante is given to make use of what belongs to the Sangha. If he prefers to make use of what isn't given or wrong gained, also this is his choice, yet has deep consequences in regard of relation to the Gems.

Gunaghoso:
I don’t care because it’s out of my sight, my control. I just can not do more than my ability. And I don’t understand what is your mean in the end, or you want me to attack the owner of suttacentrel?

See you later, have a nice day!

You always talk about khmer tipitaka, and I just told you where I am, is that wrong? Stop it, let show me the point.

Johann:
May Bhante do as he think's it proper. Kana can not help him out.

If Bhante maybe later comes to mind and seeing the given and blessed way out, may Bhante always feel welcome to return to it.

[No Name]

   

http://khmerdhammahome.blogspot.com/2018/12/blog-post_24.html?m=1

[Johann]

Atma could of course perceive wrongly, but somehow less doubt that he actually left the holly live already, and took the gained (at least worldly) with him. Why else would one not care about the Sanghas heritage and leaves a donation button as pipe out behind?

Still he refrained the question how he gained the text, aside as it has been taken from 5000-years.org, given to Upasika Norum and then requested (uninvited?) to give him a share back (as compensation of whats called trade.

Atma is incapable to understand "it's out of my ability", while able to sell what not under his control? Incapable to bring unwholsome intentions and undertakings under control?

Would be interesting of how much was already gained (on behave of the Gems).

[No Name]

 

[Johann]

For information: Atma tried to reach out to actor Churchwell directly on SC, yet of course, since "Punks" are usually not dare in doing anything to hide their evil, and track users, incl. reading pm's, the account was soon deleted and so the info possible didn't reach either.

As Ayya Sudhamma seems to be of same kind, avoiding effects to possible correct things, not dare to act different as speaking, think different then both, no good and broad release of the matter can be expected aside of more reasoning why to categorical avoid any given into this kind. Nobody can help them out. Once beings are caught in debts toward "punks", they are themselves subject of lasting fear, spiraling downwardly.

[Johann]

Nothing to wonder that group seems to be also associated with right-activist Marlai Ouch. All but not for increase of faith nor for long lasting or even establishing but deluded shooting in own knee, by prequalificating right from the beginning and endanger those modest practicing for their pointless Attasaññā...

[Johann]

Oh well... and the "Gang-star" Luon Sovath isn't far either... high criminal, actually... this "accidently" subject. May wise find ways to let them simply run where they desire to heed on without getting touched and just inform their dependencies.