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Title: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on August 15, 2019, 11:56:44 AM
Seems that there is a huge interest, at least in regard of storing of datas. The last days visitor amount has climbed up to nearly 7.000 at the same time and seemingly most from China (and to more than 500.000 page views a day).

May there be a lot touched by the Dhamma while proper attention and lead many to walk after an escape from this wheel.
Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: អរិយវង្ស on August 15, 2019, 06:12:34 PM
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Title: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on August 18, 2019, 10:24:09 PM

Aramika   *

Ein oder mehrer Beiträge wurden hier im Thema abgeschnitten und damit in neues Thema "Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php?topic=9407.0)" eröffnet, dem angehäng.
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Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas
Post by: អរិយវង្ស on August 19, 2019, 12:19:15 PM

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Brah Karuna, Brah Ang

Since yesterday evening it truly hard to access the Web. And since then it is even more difficult to look and hardly to write.
Title: Re: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on August 19, 2019, 01:03:06 PM
Sadhu for "feedback", informing, Nyom Cheav Villa . Aside of the topic, which is more general objected: in current case, is it just here on this side or also on other pages in the web. Atma thinks that China, Asian countries, will soon launch massive alternatives to the existing western huge Brahmaworlds and so guessing that a large feeding of datas is going one (which will increase by all parts involved in dealing with touch and storage of forms and ideas).
Title: Re: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas
Post by: អរិយវង្ស on August 19, 2019, 06:06:27 PM
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Title: Re: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on August 19, 2019, 07:03:29 PM
Atma wrote to much not so relevant.

Is it only on sangham.net pages or also on others for Nyom Cheav Villa ? General or just here?
Title: Re: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas
Post by: អរិយវង្ស on August 19, 2019, 08:15:02 PM
Kana Prah Ang _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

Kana only Know on Sangham.net.

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Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: Moritz on August 21, 2019, 01:37:46 PM
It seems there has been a lot of traffic on sangham.net the last days.

Traffic for this month alone for sangham.net ist almost 90 GB.
In total, all the Greensta packages together provide a limit of 100 GB per month. (But the site not being accessible would have nothing directly to do with exceeding a total traffic limit, but with how much traffic there is at once in one moment.)

I think the increasing number of robot visitors of the forum is becoming more of a real problem.

(As I promised to look for a better web hosting, have still not had enough time, but will try to soon test some. Having a server with more capacity could help for a little bit, but would not solve the root cause of the problem of more and more bots.)

I am searching for ways now how to deal with such floods of bots. I think it would be good to avoid IP blocking.

It would be good to understand why these bots are so interested in the forum. Maybe hiding the whole forum behind a login "wall" could help to make the bots lose interest somehow.

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Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on August 21, 2019, 02:26:31 PM
What ever Nyom Moritz thinks and it's surely well not letting given resources be wasted or cause even additional costs.
Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on August 21, 2019, 02:56:13 PM
Generally my person does not think that all at bots, when looking at origin (total different), the thought goes more in direction of more man-power included when conter-strikes against western monopols pressure is in preparation. West might not be so able to imagine speed and power once "go" is given. The more in remote forest with small path and not involved, the better, not taking part on any side.
Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on October 20, 2019, 09:22:39 PM
Thought to share some observances in regard of visitors.

Shortly, after having been asked by Bhante Varado , my person made the downloads again accessable for visitors. Short after, two days later, the amount of total visitor online at same time increased again up to 500+ after having found it's normal of 20 to 50 since the last close of all for visitors.

The first "invasion" has been by privat seeming IPs from various provinces in China.
The second, current, comes from "Huawei Cloud" from Hong kong.

That is one thing.

Another is that like in the first case the amount of online visitors at same time increased mostly when Nyom Cheav Villa is online , browsing via a google IP, as if followed.
Maybe Nyom can test looking at the page with different access (device) and test what happens when accessing in regard of visitors.

Shouldn't make much burden but my person guesses that there is a lot going on in regard of spyware and "nasty" things in regard of controll but also fraud in SEAsia currently.

It may all, of cause, be "accidentally", but maybe, if observing and testing, it's possible to find out how to best prevent from unconscious resource use while keeping all most accessible.

Stats can be seen here: http://forum.sangham.net/index.php?action=stats
Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: អរិយវង្ស on October 20, 2019, 09:49:12 PM
Kana Prah Ang  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

Kana is testing on laptop now  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on October 20, 2019, 09:54:10 PM
Maybe she likes to look what happens if using different i-access. Current when online, it seems as being followed by 500 robots.

She currently does not access here (=server in German) via a khmer mobile provider ip but via a google ip from California (not sure if she knows).

Maybe she can leave the current connection and use a mobile device, access different as usual, to look what happens with the amount of visitors online.
Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: អរិយវង្ស on October 20, 2019, 10:07:43 PM
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Kana is using mobile now..

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Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on October 20, 2019, 10:21:30 PM
Nyom nevertheless accesses here (=sangham.net in Germany) via a google ip . So still 500 followers/visitors (robots) from "huawei cloud" in Hong kong.

Such might be if using certain browsers or additional programs borrow ip's for "anonymous" browsing.

Another browser or other cell phone?
Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: អរិយវង្ស on October 20, 2019, 10:32:33 PM
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Kana,  another cellphone and looking via Gmail mostly. Sometime through google chrome.
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Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on October 20, 2019, 10:37:16 PM
Does Nyom have the possibility to not use any google stuff so that she would use, like my person, simple the mobil ip?

Normally this days, as soon as Nyom is not online for a while, the amount of visitors goes quickly down on normal.
Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: អរិយវង្ស on October 20, 2019, 10:48:30 PM
Kana Bhante the mail of sangham also comes, pop up in gmail. Could be looking in gmail or open in chrome..
Kana did not know somewhere else..
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Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: អរិយវង្ស on October 20, 2019, 10:53:37 PM
Kana now open in opera browser   _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on October 20, 2019, 11:04:00 PM
Now, since 15 min, she uses normal cellcard ip. Visitors still not lesser. Still it can be connected with the device.

Let's see and observe to possible find a good way, finding out reasons (aside of the huge trade/power over consumer war).
Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: អរិយវង្ស on October 20, 2019, 11:07:05 PM
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Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on October 21, 2019, 05:58:51 AM
This night seemingly constantly 5-600 visitors at same time. Now in the morning, 6:30, they all disappeared (after Nyom came online).
Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on October 21, 2019, 03:34:24 PM
More or lesser constant 500 visitors at the same time currently. My person is not sure if he would have a possibility to check the traffic-usage so that it may not lead to additional costs. Surely busy, Nyom Moritz , my person could look at it from time to time and close for visitors if critical manual.
Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: អរិយវង្ស on October 21, 2019, 04:19:50 PM
Kana using Opera browser from night till now, and force stop Chrom.  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on October 21, 2019, 04:34:20 PM
There is nothing really traceable (the ~500 visitors are online since 48h nearly all the time, just in the morning at 6:30, they disappeared), so possible nothing to do with Nyoms devices or anybody else.

Sadhu for the steady care and assistance.
Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: អរិយវង្ស on October 21, 2019, 04:46:37 PM
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Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: Moritz on October 21, 2019, 05:23:16 PM
Vandami Bhante _/\_

I see. 529 guests now.

Looking at traffic so far, I see that last month total traffic was only 33 GB (after closing downloads for guests). Now for this month it is 28 GB so far. Thinking that it was not
much more than 15 GB at some point last week when I last checked.

As the total limit per month is 100 GB, there should still be good capacity for now. Not sure how fast this can be "eaten up" by robot traffic.

Yes, I am quite busy at this time. So if Bhante could check from time to time and close it for guests again when nearing the limit, this would be good I think.

Maybe a good long-term solution would be to make the downloads protected by Captcha when accessed by guests. But I don't know how to implement this now. I would try to find out when I have time.

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Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on October 21, 2019, 05:29:58 PM
Nyom Moritz ,

Actually there are not many downloads at all. This robot-kind seems not to sense them. This week: http://forum.sangham.net/index.php?action=tpmod;dl maybe 10 files...

As for looking about the state: Where could it be done on the admin panel (couldn't find a link)
Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: Moritz on October 21, 2019, 05:47:29 PM
Nyom Moritz ,

Actually there are not many downloads at all. This robot-kind seems not to sense them. This week: http://forum.sangham.net/index.php?action=tpmod;dl maybe 10 files...

I see. So what exactly had been closed for guests previously which is now open again? Was the whole forum closed for guests? I don't remember.

As for looking about the state: Where could it be done on the admin panel (couldn't find a link)

In the Greensta admin panel, going to "Webseiten", and in the menu on the left, near the bottom under "Statistik", when clicking on "Web-Datentransfer", there then appears a table like this:

(https://forum.sangham.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9400.0;attach=7749;image)

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Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on October 21, 2019, 05:57:36 PM
The short close of all had end the last invasion. My person had the "feeling" when reopen Download (which was one my person didn't reopen), that the visits , may come again.

And so it was. 2 days after opening, having been requested, it came about. But of cause all a matter of kamma and place to ripe. Certain things are complicated to explain.

"Technical" from the doer side. The first try of collecting datas for launching failed because to many unique visitors and from china main land. Now using the most open possibility with different means.

Sadhu for share of infos where to look. So no worry about it. Atma will simply close up when limit is reached.
Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: Moritz on October 21, 2019, 06:09:42 PM
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Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on October 21, 2019, 07:53:54 PM
...If my person understands that right such as "clouds" are mega-server which try to compensate non-avaliability. Therefore steady records.

Once that has reached an access tolerance as for example google enjoys means a manifold increase of visits and when successful of course the close of what ever common provider.

One can have such a cloud for free ... just google it

Again, my person is more then willing to approve and put much effort into non-presence on public roads and next highways in regard of Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha, leaving it then even without door and look, most accessible for all with upanissaya, just if ideas arise.
Title: Re: Unique visitors at the same time up to 7.000
Post by: អរិយវង្ស on October 21, 2019, 09:25:43 PM
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Title: set up email
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on October 22, 2019, 05:58:15 AM

Aramika   *

Ein oder mehrer Beiträge wurden hier im Thema abgeschnitten und damit in neues Thema "ការកំណត់ដើម្បីឱ្យមានអ៊ីមែលនៅលើទូរស័ព្ទ - setting for email on mobile device (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php/topic,8928.msg16349.html#msg16349)" eröffnet, dem angehäng.
One or more posts have been cut out of this topic here. A new topic, based on it, has been created as "ការកំណត់ដើម្បីឱ្យមានអ៊ីមែលនៅលើទូរស័ព្ទ - setting for email on mobile device (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php/topic,8928.msg16349.html#msg16349)" or attached there.