Seeking proper assosiation

[blazer]

Ven,
i think i can pass many hours in contemplation and perfect precepts and in solitude if it is good to do so.
Would like to have instructions on how to better behave at this point.
go outside? inside? what to do with the time?

In case i can get informations about a retreat, can choose both in a christian or buddhist monastery/temple

[blazer]

Just gone out.
yesterday returning home, no music, no toughts, void inside, at a point felt a mess coming from everything. intention to move eyes and see a form, to recognize, to see if its desirable, then eventually keep action.
Pattern seen in advice and so destroyed,i tought.
Now tried out with music for a short. eye contact with others 2 times, messy for one's inside. Eyes are not moved without intention. Has been lucid with void inside, serene, a bit, returned.
But felt that its not like at home, secluded. Moving at speed burdens. Music keeps feelings up in specific points on the inside. When i pause, points disappear.
Appealing forms, appealing souds, a burden, explode in the cosmos inside.

Feel urgent need of proper association, helpful to stay away from transgressions, and do practice, and eventually have good advices. Can stay alone in peace but short but awesome interactions would be good my person thinks.
Eventually i can easy contact a monk i met, but must inform Ven that this talk has been inconcludent last time.
Please give guidance, will stay in contemplation at home in the while, calm body, very few activities.
Investigating 6 senses anicca impermanence suffering, calmness, arise and death of cosmos, compassion at times, merit, what else?

Sorry for using this board like a chat, Ven. can suggest better mean.

[Johann]

Atma would hardly ever advice something else then to go forth. Good if finding a far off Theravada monastery which would exept a lay person, 8 Sila or ten, who does some works able to, while practicing.

Better of course, lokking to ordain, at least as Samanera.

It doen't make sense if isolated and in common ways. Most simply increase their confusions.

* Johann : nothing that terrible burdensome, aside surely good and skilful to try to put not to much burden on others. Again, most "disturbing", or improper is "just" facelessness, Nyom blazer .

[blazer]

Atma would hardly ever advice something else then to go forth. Good if finding a far off Theravada monastery which would exept a lay person, 8 Sila or ten, who does some works able to, while practicing.

Better of course, lokking to ordain, at least as Samanera.

It doen't make sense if isolated and in common ways. Most simply increase their confusions.

* Johann : nothing that terrible burdensome, aside surely good and skilful to try to put not to much burden on others. Again, most "disturbing", or improper is "just" facelessness, Nyom blazer .

Considering a far temple may enlong decision, ordination more.
Anyway will make considerations.

Theravada monastery, even in my country? Why not another one?
Is the one of Jieshi Shan a valid one?

[Johann]

Atma would hardly ever advice something else then to go forth. Good if finding a far off Theravada monastery which would exept a lay person, 8 Sila or ten, who does some works able to, while practicing.

Better of course, lokking to ordain, at least as Samanera.

It doen't make sense if isolated and in common ways. Most simply increase their confusions.

* Johann : nothing that terrible burdensome, aside surely good and skilful to try to put not to much burden on others. Again, most "disturbing", or improper is "just" facelessness, Nyom blazer .

Considering a far temple may enlong decision, ordination more.
Anyway will make considerations.

Theravada monastery, even in my country? Why not another one?
Is the one of Jieshi Shan a valid one?

Hard to find an environment that holds on right view, at first place, in the West, even under Theravada branch, much lesser elsewhere, Nyom.

How ever: important to move on toward good, and if with right intention, all will at time appear.

[Johann]

Upasaka Sukhavipula just shared record and Intro for some Suttas good to reflect on, as things arise not accidentally but most tendency is what matters for such, as well as change.
Here you are, there have you been, where to settle?

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

(26) Sattakammapatha - The Seven Ways of Acting

[1] At one time the Blessed One was living in the monastery offered by Anāthapiṇḍika in Jeta's grove in Sāvatthī.

[2] “Bhikkhus, beings get together and agree according to the elements.

[3] “Those destroying living things agree with the destroyers of living things. Those taking the not given agree with those who take the not given. Those misbehaving sexually agree with others who misbehave sexually. Those telling lies agree with others who tell lies. Those slandering agree with others who slander. Those talking roughly agree with others talking roughly and those talking frivolously agree with others who talk frivolously.

[4] “Those abstaining from destroying living things agree with those who do not destroy living things. Those abstaining from taking the not given agree with those who do not take the not given. Those abstaining from misbehaving sexually agree with others who do not misbehave sexually. Those abstaining from telling lies agree with others who do not tell lies. Those abstaining from taking intoxicating things agree with others who do not take intoxicating things.”

13. 3. 5.

(27) Dasakammapatha - Ten Ways of Acting

[1] At one time the Blessed One was living in the monastery offered by Anāthapiṇḍika in Jeta's grove in Sāvatthī.

[2] “Bhikkhus, beings get together and agree according to the elements.

[3] “Those destroying living things agree with the destroyers of living things. Those taking the not given agree with those who take the not given. Those misbehaving sexually agree with others who misbehave sexually. Those telling lies agree with others who tell lies. Those slandering agree with others who slander. Those talking roughly agree with others talking roughly. Those talking frivolously agree with others who talk frivolously. Those coveting agree with others, who covet. Those angry agree with others who bear anger and those who have wrong view agree with others who have wrong view.

[4] “Those abstaining from destroying living things agree with those who do not destroy living things. Those abstaining from taking the not given agree with those who do not take the not given. Those abstaining from misbehaving sexually agree with others who do not misbehave sexually. Those abstaining from telling lies agree with others who do not tell lies. Those abstaining from slandering agree with others who do not slander. Those abstaining from talking roughly agree with those who do not talk roughly. Those abstaining from frivolous talk agree with those who do not talk frivolously. Those who do not covet, agree with others who do not covet. Those who do not bear anger agree with others who do not bear anger and those with right view agree with others who have right view.

(15) Kammaṁ (Caṅkama) - According to Actions (Thoughtfully Walking)

[1] At one time, the Blessed One lived among the Gijjha peaks in Rajagaha.

[2] At that time, venerable Sāriputta was walking thoughtfully in the vicinity of the Blessed One followed by many bhikkhus.

[3] Venerable Mahāmoggallāna was walking thoughtfully in the vicinity of the Blessed One followed by many bhikkhus.

[4] Venerable Mahākassapa was walking thoughtfully in the vicinity of the Blessed One followed by many bhikkhus.

[5] Venerable Anuruddha was walking thoughtfully in the vicinity of the Blessed One followed by many bhikkhus.

[6] Venerable Puṇṇa Mantāniputta was walking thoughtfully in the vicinity of the Blessed One followed by many bhikkhus.

[7] Venerable Upāli was walking thoughtfully in the vicinity of the Blessed One followed by many bhikkhus.

[8] Venerable Ānanda was walking thoughtfully in the vicinity of the Blessed One followed by many bhikkhus.

[9] Devadatta too was walking thoughtfully in the vicinity of the Blessed One followed by many bhikkhus.

[10] Then the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus:

“Bhikkhus, do you see Sāriputta walking thoughtfully followed by many bhikkhus?”

“Yes, venerable sir.”

“Bhikkhus, all those bhikkhus are very wise.

[11] “Bhikkhus, do you see Moggallāna walking thoughtfully, followed by many bhikkhus?”

“Yes, venerable sir.”

“Bhikkhus, all those bhikkhus have great psychic powers.

[12] “Bhikkhus, do you see Kassapa walking thoughtfully, followed by many bhikkhus?”

“Yes, venerable sir.”

“Bhikkhus, all those bhikkhus observe austerities.”

[13] “Bhikkhus, do you see Anuruddha walking thoughtfully, followed by many bhikkhus?”

“Yes, venerable sir.”

“Bhikkhus, all those bhikkhus have developed the divine eye.

[14] “Bhikkhus, do you see Puṇṇa Mantāniputta walking thoughtfully, followed by many bhikkhus?”

“Yes, venerable sir.”

“Bhikkhus, all those bhikkhus converse about ethical problems.

[15] “Bhikkhus, do you see Upāli walking thoughtfully, followed by many bhikkhus?”

“Yes, venerable sir.”

“Bhikkhus, all those bhikkhus know the discipline.

[16] “Bhikkhus, do you see Ānanda walking thoughtfully, followed by many bhikkhus?”

“Yes, venerable sir.”

“Bhikkhus, all those bhikkhus are learned.

[17] “Bhikkhus, do you see Devadatta walking thoughtfully, followed by many bhikkhus?”

“Yes, venerable sir.”

“Bhikkhus, all those bhikkhus are with evil desires.”

[18] “Bhikkhus, beings get together and agree according to the elements. Those with inferior inclinations get together and agree with others of inferior inclinations and those with virtuous inclinations get together and agree with others of virtuous inclinations.

[19] “Bhikkhus, even in the past beings got together and agreed according to the elements. Those with inferior inclinations got together and agreed with others of inferior inclinations and those with virtuous inclinations got together and agreed with others of virtuous inclinations.

[20] “Bhikkhus, even in the future beings will get together and agree according to the elements. Those with inferior inclinations will get together and agree with others of inferior inclinations and those with virtuous inclinations will get together and agree with others of virtuous inclinations.

[21] “Bhikkhus, even at present beings get together and agree according to the elements. Those with inferior inclinations get together and agree with others of inferior inclinations and those with virtuous inclinations get together and agree with others of virtuous inclinations.”

Quote from: Kammapathavaggo & Sattadhātu vagga