Leaving back the burden

[Johann]

For a third time, may the Venerables listen: Householder {removed name} feels worthy to take on and care over the last given torwad the Sangha of the eight directions in this world, if the Venerables do have any concern, may they let it be known, if staying silent, it will be seen as fit.

Yes, Brah Ang, the domain of the Sangha of the eight directions and Dhamma-Dana of the Tripple Gems

[No Name]

 

 ព្រះអង្គ Sangham.net បូជា ដល់​ព្រះសង្ឃ
មិនមែនបូជាដល់គ្រហស្ថទេ។

Brah Ang, sangham.net (is/has been) sacrificed toward the Sublime Sangha, not sacrificed toward householder.

* Johann : translation added.

[Johann]

 ព្រះអង្គ Sangham.net បូជា ដល់​ព្រះសង្ឃ
មិនមែនបូជាដល់គ្រហស្ថទេ។

Brah Ang, sangham.net (is/has been) sacrificed toward the Sublime Sangha, not sacrificed toward householder.

* Johann : translation added.

That was and is it's purpose, yes. But as it's more and more evident and open seen, that what's holds the status of heirs of the Dhamma, has already long gone for refuge into householders, has no more desire to care for it unless it's for "feeding the poor" everywhere. Both don't like to make efforts and prefer to steal from goverments, Kings, or landlords, to have it maintained by "social care receiver manners" (consumer).

Atma has no desire in leading Unions within this trade of mutual agreements to different ways, and it's burdensome to appear steady like a fool to encourage toward getting to mind, at least even unasked.

Atma has zero desire to further maintain a stand within total stupidy, trade and wrong view and no desire of taking care of a domain not brought into proper place.

One has to leave the "Red Khema" behind, that's all that one can do for them and oneself.

As told, Atma thinks it's good if Nyom, Nyom at least take the given Khmer heritage, and put it in maybe some years further secure and given domain under authority devoted toward the Gems.

Let good Nyom Moritz as well as good Nyom Sophorn correspond with Nyom, as yours of course, isn't adviced at all to give up any you may regard as "own land" toward anybody.

* Johann : meanwhile, even Bhante Khemananda had certain joy in giving here into, adviced that he for now better stops to put here into and better seek seclusion, he even rejoiced more and asked to go off into the forest for this day.

Modern Buddhist and monks have AI's, they don't need the Sangha and their heir as Refuge, better, think it's a burden to do sacrifices while there is so much "free" in householder dedicated domains, over google and facebook or suttacentral and github.

Nyom, their leaders, lay and monks, are of the view that labor and donors are the owner, not the Sangha, not the King. All they sacrificed and sacrifice wasn't isn't really sacrificed, but just for the sake of take over an identification, they think that they are worthy and so it's at least for my person good to leave behind the burden.

There is hardly one western householder not claiming being worthy, being Sangha. Total normal outwardly. Big business and "free" given away identification.

If one wouldn't do service as they are used by worthless monks, or if not doing and follow as they wish, a monk maybe sure to get either pulled down robe or banned. People are tread till that extent already, at least children and degenerated are eager taught to have rights.

[Johann]

Good now. As the Venerables possible stay silent and what ever right view has no more place in this realm, good to let it stand as it is.

Maybe Atma can make a copy of the given Dhamma, so that it's at least off-line within the heritages land, but not sure, of course.

[blazer]

It's not polite to leave without cleaning up after oneself.

Greetings good people of Cambodia and whoever else,

I will explain what is going on.

May you open a separate topic and show in practice what bad has been done concretely?

 

[blazer]

I've had also my misunderstandings, but i understand by direct experience that he comes from a radical different view of the world, and so patience has to be cultivated from time to time. And of course, he can be wrong from time to time i guess.

Are you sure you actually like him?
Not nice to tell people to not bring cigarettes and coca cola.
High forms of samadhi can be easily maintained with such intoxicants and even with far stronger ones. If you have access to high samadhi you can try and check.
Maybe somehow bad for kids and followers, but i've seen far worse all around.

[blazer]

Thanks Mr. Moritz, it is good to have a separate topic.

One thing i'd like to point out is that of being called fool or being told to be directed to hell.
It is a disturbing language, one can get mad about it.
But actually it can be considered true, and still no reason to get much down or upset about it.

A man that destroys his car with his own hands just to show people how strong he is can be considered a fool, even if this has much sense in his head, and eventually he will get even some "gain".
So, a man who is damaging his own future with his own hands, eventually ignoring well known kamma laws, is acting as a fool in the same way, even if it seems to him he is "gaining" something from it.

About hell, there are actions which will bring you to very bad destinations. Bad stuff, yet i think one can improve much his situation by producing good karma and seek proper reparation. After all, i think i have visited hell in this life and i'm still alive and actually quite skillful, having progressed well on the path.


 

[Johann]

Atma, again, tells in short. Followers of the Buddha don't burden around with fools and people of wrong view, and there is no reason to sacrifices anything to keep up a connection into lost areas.

If not able to leave those people and protect the Gems it's just to leave all what they think they can control behind.

It's certain not disturbing and cause of coming to mind if telling a fool of his state, how much compassion and gratitude ever might support such. Done grave faults, holding grave wrong view, void of gratitude, no way out for them. Caught in slavehood, fear by day and night, haunted by their confusion, one can just leave them behind.

If the supporter and giver of this place prefer to support such fools, that's fine. Let it be known if wishing to follow further, and if wishing to go for the last places of right view.

[Moritz]

Atma, again, tells in short. Followers of the Buddha don't burden around with fools and people of wrong view, and there is no reason to sacrifices anything to keep up a connection into lost areas.

If not able to leave those people and protect the Gems it's just to leave all what they think they can control behind.

It's certain not disturbing and cause of coming to mind if telling a fool of his state, how much compassion and gratitude ever might support such. Done grave faults, holding grave wrong view, void of gratitude, no way out for them. Caught in slavehood, fear by day and night, haunted by their confusion, one can just leave them behind.

If the supporter and giver of this place prefer to support such fools, that's fine. Let it be known if wishing to follow further, and if wishing to go for the last places of right view.

Vandami Bhante

I had some short conversation with Upasika Sophorn about possibly shutting down the forum, because of legal demands and threats.
I think it is the most reasonable course of action.
There is still possibility to maintain a more closed down, private place with no access to the public.
I want to look at it more detailed on the weekend, seeing how to manage the demands about "personal data".

[Moritz]

Hello {removed name}!

There is only one way you manage these demands, by complying with the law, i've studied this stuff extensively over the last couple weeks and there is absolutely no way you can get around having to delete PII.

Your request for deletion of personal data has been heard and as I said, I will do my best to take care about this on the weekend.
I have also only now read your e-mails from yesterday and today. I am busy with work.

But I think it might be helpful if you could point me to the data about you that you would like to have deleted, in case I don't find it all.
For example I don't know what dossier and voice messages and where I would find it. (Haven't searched yet.)

I will then also delete your account and likely stop registration without approval, if not close down the forum entirely, temporarily or until clearer how to possibly continue. (I'm not yet sure exactly what to do.) So after that you would not be able to post anymore.
But I don't have time to look into this until Saturday.
I hope until then you can maintain some peace of mind.

[blazer]

Hello {removed name}!

There is only one way you manage these demands, by complying with the law, i've studied this stuff extensively over the last couple weeks and there is absolutely no way you can get around having to delete PII.

Your request for deletion of personal data has been heard and as I said, I will do my best to take care about this on the weekend.
I have also only now read your e-mails from yesterday and today. I am busy with work.

But I think it might be helpful if you could point me to the data about you that you would like to have deleted, in case I don't find it all.
For example I don't know what dossier and voice messages and where I would find it. (Haven't searched yet.)

I will then also delete your account and likely stop registration without approval, if not close down the forum entirely, temporarily or until clearer how to possibly continue. (I'm not yet sure exactly what to do.) So after that you would not be able to post anymore.
But I don't have time to look into this until Saturday.
I hope until then you can maintain some peace of mind.

Thanks for your work and efforts Mr. Moritz.
I hope everything could be solved so the forum will stay online.

 

[Moritz]

I don't understand why exactly you don't want to simply keep this forum open as it is and just update your privacy policy as to be gdpr compliant. That is obviously the easiest way to proceed and requires no additional changes.

I simply don't want to be obliged or required to delete anybody's so-considered personal data after they decided they didn't want to share it after all. I don't want to care about "policies" and study law. I have other things to do.
I rarely find time to look much into this forum recently. If the task of deleting stuff at people's demand falls on me (and I don't see anyone else involved here who would do it), I don't want to have it.

So I think it is best to shut down this forum, as I see Bhante had suggested as well at least several times in the past.

These RTBF requests are something that will occur very rarely and it is not difficult to remove things as requested.

One time is enough.
It is difficult. I spent hours on it so far.
And I don't want to have to deal with it.

I have deleted accounts, messages from {removed name}, some quotes of message exchanges, avatar, replaced mention of name anywhere with {removed name}.
About audio messages: I found some links leading to nowhere (must have been already removed).

I hope that is enough.

Thanks for your work and efforts Mr. Moritz.
I hope everything could be solved so the forum will stay online.

 

There has been no work and effort from me here in recent times.

As I see it, Bhante has "left behind the burden" of this forum here, and I don't want to carry it with any legal responsibility.
Although it might technically be Upasika Sophorn who carries legal responsibility, I am not sure exactly how this works. She probably also does not know.

As I see it it does not make much sense to leave this open under EU law. I will try to consult with Upasika Sophorn.

For now, registration of new accounts is only possible with admin approval. I would continue on tomorrow by removing access to read messages for not logged-in users.

[Johann]

Atma think it's still possible to find occasions and space where the Gems are considered above any worldly idea of holding control, of which is impossible in regard of the Gems.

Wrong views a grave pandemic, and even the most merit-less people are put into the huge danger of it.

Atma does not like to see people burden with fools 'just' to maintain of what's impossible to resits in such sphere, yet maybe another time reason, yet for also some effort, to move things back into ancestors land and seek for ways to follow up for oneself.

[Johann]

Burdens had been exclusively upon Atmas account, who, although knowing the chance being nearly to zero, tried to keep ways open for some with some amount of wisdom, yet it was at least done just for those able to get healed, to get in touch with something only very, very less could ever meet.

Lasting time is very short till all traces are no more in reach for the world, so may those with ways try their best.

When starting to delete given, destroy, delete... thats not only against the base, but for sure the wrong way, giving just more encouragements to do foolish things, thinking they could be done undone.

Where there is no respect and no shame, requires to go on, move on, not to try to fix wrong, again and again.

It's not that harmful to carry an offender "naked" through the middle of a community, and not wrong to cover old things as soon as shame and goodness could be restored. Effective and most helpful and making clear of whats right and wrong in spheres of the path for right liberation.