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2023 Nov 27 14:47:22
No Name:   _/\_ _/\__/\_

2023 Nov 27 05:41:32
Johann: May all spend a blessed Anapanasati- Fullmoon and reflect the goodness of Ven Sāriputta as well today.

2023 Nov 20 19:18:13
No Name:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 20 18:20:15
Johann: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 20 02:48:24
Moritz: Hello _/\_ Still possible to join: An-other Journey into the East 2023/24

2023 Nov 18 13:55:11
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 12 01:09:01
Johann: Nyom

2023 Nov 12 00:45:21
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 19:42:10
No Name:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 07:17:02
Johann: សិលា​នាំ​ទៅ​រក​ឯករាជ្យ​នៃ​ជាតិ! សូមឱ្យមនុស្សជាច្រើនប្រារព្ធទិវាឯករាជ្យ(ពី)ជាតិ។

2023 Nov 09 07:06:56
Johann: Sila leads to independence of Jati! May many observe a conductive Independence day.

2023 Nov 07 00:54:02
Johann: Nyoum

2023 Nov 07 00:39:55
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 15:47:51
No Name:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 12:21:27
Johann: A blessed Sila observation day today.

2023 Oct 30 15:17:36
Johann: It's common in to give up that what's given to do assist me toward release, common that seeking security in what binds.

2023 Oct 30 13:22:27
No Name: ព្រះអង្គ :) កូណាលុប delta chat ហើយ :D _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 23 18:56:09
No Name:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 22 20:36:01
Johann: May all spend a pleasing rest of this Sila-day.

2023 Oct 19 20:31:12
Johann: Nyom Sreyneang

2023 Oct 15 07:07:01
No Name:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 14 06:53:21
Johann: May all spend a New moon Uposatha based on goodwill for all, find seclusion in the middle of family duties.

2023 Sep 29 07:35:30
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:23:47
No Name:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:03:11
Johann: A blessed full moon Uposatha and begin of the ancestor weeks by lived metta and virtue: lived gratitude toward all being, toward one self.

2023 Sep 22 22:07:43
Johann: If no rush turn toward reducing sensuality and make Silas the top of priority, it's to fear that an Atomic conflic will be chosen soon, in the battle of control of the "drugs".

2023 Sep 22 14:59:39
No Name:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 22 06:35:51
Johann: A blessed Uposatha Observance on this Sila-day, by conducting similar the Arahats.

2023 Sep 16 19:29:27
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 16 19:29:13
blazer: Hello everyone! I've just come back home. I had a long trip and no sleep for more than 30 hours, but currently feel quite good. I've had a good experience, i'm happy. I've found out much inspiration and many ideas about the training and the holy life. I'll recollect and write about them as soon as i've taken some rest. Hope to find you all well and in good health  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 15 05:25:24
No Name:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 14 21:09:49
Johann: A blessed rest of New moon Uposatha today (later as no connection before).

2023 Sep 10 01:55:47
No Name:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_?

2023 Sep 09 18:52:54
Johann: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 09 18:52:28
Johann: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 08 06:19:20
Johann: A blessed Sila day, by maintaining goodwill toward all, not only by deeds and speech, but with nine factors, incl. a mind full of metta.

2023 Sep 01 10:54:43
No Name: សាធុ សាធុ សាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 01 09:21:09
Johann:  “This verse was stated by earlier worthy ones, fully self-awakened:    Freedom from disease: the foremost good fortune. Unbinding: the foremost ease. The eightfold: the foremost of paths going to the Deathless, Secure.

2023 Sep 01 09:19:23
Johann: 'Ārogyaparamā lābhā nibbānaṃ paramaṃ sukhaṃ, Aṭṭhaṅgiko ca maggānaṃ khemaṃ amatagāmina'nti.   អារោគ្យបរមា លាភា និព្ពានំ បរមំ សុខំ អដ្ថងិកោ ច មគ្គានំ ខេមំ អមតគាមិន នតិ។  លាភទាំងឡាយ មានការមិនមានរោគ ដ៏ប្រសើរបំផុត ព្រះនិព្វាន ជាសុខដ៏ឧត្តម មគ្គប្រកបដោយអង្គ៨ ដ៏ក្សេមក្សាន្តជាងមគ្គទាំងឡាយ សម្រាប់ដំណើរ ទៅកាន់​ព្រះនិព្វាន ឈ្មោះអមតៈ។

2023 Aug 31 06:30:11
No Name: សាធុ សាធុ សាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Aug 31 06:08:15
Johann: A blessed Fullmoon Uposatha, following the Arahats conducts.

2023 Aug 30 20:19:25
Johann: Nyom

2023 Aug 30 18:39:38
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Aug 24 19:56:43
Johann: Sadhu, Sadhu and mudita

2023 Aug 24 19:45:08
No Name: កូណា បាននាំគ្រួសាររក្សាសីល8ក្នុងថ្ងៃនេះ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_😌

2023 Aug 24 18:31:04
No Name: សាធុ សាធុ សាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Aug 24 18:08:32
Johann: Message in the morning didn't arise... so a later: blessed rest of a good conducted Sila day.

2023 Aug 16 10:26:38
No Name: សាធុ សាធុ សាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Aug 16 06:39:11
Johann: A blessed, peaceful, New Moon Uposatha, caused by metta-Citta.

2023 Aug 09 10:02:14
No Name: សាធុ សាធុ សាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Aug 09 06:08:53
Johann: May all spend a blessed Sila day by observing the conducts of the Arahats.

2023 Aug 02 19:15:32
Johann: May all Venerables have found a. suitable place for this Vassa, conductive for the sake of the deathless, and may all dwell conflictless, supported by admirable friends.

2023 Aug 01 13:39:35
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Aug 01 07:03:18
Johann: A blesser Asalha-Puja, Dhamma day Full moon Uposatha. May all Venerables have found, find, a perfect place for their victorious Vassa. May all spend a blessend Uposatha and nobody get hurt on the lanes of rushing travels.

2023 Jul 26 18:11:11
Johann: May all spend a blessed rest of Sila-day today.

2023 Jul 24 18:01:06
blazer: For sure it would be! I've found good of having allayed the pain and being able to move

2023 Jul 23 17:40:26
Johann: A finally good news would be declaring of patgs and fruit attainments, with Arahataphalla as peak.

2023 Jul 23 17:39:09
Johann: Finally?  :)

2023 Jul 23 09:44:43
blazer: Thanks Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Finally i have a few good news. Will write about tomorrow

2023 Jul 22 19:41:41
Johann: A good time, and so a good morning, Nyom.

2023 Jul 22 09:12:47
blazer: Good morning everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Jul 20 20:20:43
Johann: Any further open doubts and questions?

2023 Jul 17 21:48:01
Johann: Periodicaly again the urge to do not relay on social medias and to concentrate doing the tasks very bodily on the earth, avoiding the lure of debtless consume and seek to know goodness and just take on what's personal given for good purpose, away from hidden trades and traps. People denying goodness and/or don't know how to pay back and toward whom, simple run crazy and after a while into all kinds of amok.

2023 Jul 17 06:10:00
Johann: A blesed New-moon Uposatha today.

2023 Jul 11 22:05:20
Johann: A blessed rest of Sila-Day today.

2023 Jul 10 23:09:42
blazer: Bhante Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Jul 10 16:32:58
Johann: Mudita

2023 Jul 10 03:32:09
blazer: I'm going to contact the forest monastery soon

2023 Jul 04 19:13:24
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Jul 03 06:27:07
Johann: Likewise those observing the Uposatha today.

2023 Jul 02 05:55:14
Johann: A blessed full-moon Uposatha, by observing the nine-fold Uposath, starting with Metta.

2023 Jul 01 17:27:14
Jieshi Shan: Starlink has just passed over my head

2023 Jun 26 13:25:42
Johann: Nyom

2023 Jun 26 11:33:47
blazer: Good morning  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Jun 26 06:23:22
Johann: And those conducting the observance today: may it be well done.

2023 Jun 25 11:16:30
No Name:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Jun 25 09:03:52
Johann: A blessed Sila day, those conducting it today.

2023 Jun 23 08:50:50
blazer: Good morning everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Jun 21 14:32:05
blazer: It is hard to practice here. I'm in a place where i can get virtually anything in just a few minutes. And ads and distractions are everywhere. And people are so defiled so i have to carefully calibrate social interactions.

2023 Jun 21 13:44:56
Johann: It's not possible to gain Dhamma as long holding stand, home. Once elevating above sensuality, clearance can be gained.

2023 Jun 21 13:20:27
blazer: I'm sorry but i'm not understanding perfectly. How can i ask him for the best further way if he is not reachable directly? And what is meant by "best further way"?  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Jun 21 13:19:05
blazer: Bhante Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Jun 20 17:42:55
Johann: Btw., if your Noble teacher might be no more in reach directly, once you make an effort toward the Brahmas, devoted to the Gems, you might get the chance to ask him about the best further way (note that an Noble Brahma, of cource, would serve lazy or not serious approaches).

2023 Jun 20 17:16:43
Johann: Some may wonder why the Sublime Buddha heavily rebuked monks when they teached the Dhamma of the Ariya, to those not prepeared yet... Once people have gained this Dhamma in wrong way or at wrong time, without favor toward renouncing and or Samvega, they are hardly ever able to gain it right, mostly closed up the door by their unwise ways and approach.

2023 Jun 18 15:32:24
blazer: Good afternoon  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Jun 18 05:55:13
Johann: Likewise, a blessed Uposatha those who observe it today.

2023 Jun 18 00:45:56
blazer: Good to remember, greediness of results becomes a problem in these situations. Thank you  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Jun 17 21:22:34
Johann: See how close he is!

2023 Jun 17 13:04:43
blazer: How can i find such a teacher or an admirable friend right now?

2023 Jun 17 13:00:41
blazer: was not going out since a week because pain, wanted to give a try.

2023 Jun 17 13:00:01
blazer: im very in pain. Went out yesterday evening.

2023 Jun 17 12:51:01
Johann: Nyom, seek to live next a teacher, next admirable friends.

2023 Jun 17 12:27:12
blazer: obviously related to the last post

2023 Jun 17 12:14:49
blazer: I gone out in the evening after a week at home and i'm very hungry, it can be an impedment now and  later. Had to eat yogurt. Should i avoid solid food for good concentration?

2023 Jun 17 12:10:26
blazer: Please may Ven. Johann, if there, answer soon my new post  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Jun 17 12:08:02
blazer: Good morning everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ good news today

2023 Jun 17 06:21:43
Johann: A blessed New-moon Uposatha, based on metta, all who observe it today.

2023 Jun 11 21:47:12
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Jun 11 20:42:00
Johann: A blessed rest of Sila day, by observing metta toward all beings, by thoughts and deeds.

2023 Jun 11 20:00:38
Johann: Nyom

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[Q&A] Is a monk allowed to receive money?
« on: July 19, 2019, 08:42:25 PM »
[Q&A] Is a monk allowed to receive money?

Quote from: by Nyom Konrad on BSE
Is a monk allowed to receive money?

I have seen different answers to that question, so I assume it varies from school to school, is it right?

I am not talking about donations to the Sangha as a whole, like a fund, but giving cash to a monk.

Venerable members of the Sangha,
walking in front Fellows in leading the holly life.

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Venerable fellows,

In Respect of the Triple Gems, Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha, in Respect of the Elders of the community  _/\_ , my person to share a question and investigate it. Please, may all knowledgeable Venerables and Dhammika, out of compassion, correct my person, if something is not correct and fill also graps, if something is missing.

Valued Upasaka, Upasika, Aramika(inis),
dear Readers and Visitors,

Householder Konrad, interested,

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- Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa -  

Householder Konrad, interested,

NO, he is also not allowed to order or ask to use money, not allowed to own, possess, means of trade and exchange.

Lay people may organice funds for requisites give the look over to someone assisting (lay person, someone not observing 10 precepts) the monks. Monks may accept such allowed, if wishing so. Nevertheless the monk would not be allowed to hold power over them. In cases the requisite might not be received later on, he may inform the original doner that his gift was not received.

There are ways how a monk would be allowed to let a helper known a lack indirectly.

A good and firm faithful essay on this matter, now sadly a means of certain trade already is "The Use of Money by Monks ", by late Venerable Bodhesako.

To be clear, it's also impossible, while respecting the tradition of the Noble Ones, to control and hold bank accounts, credit cards, cheques, insurance founds... further, what ever trade with lay people is not allowed as well as asking lat people for fonds, one benefits from, as well.

Not causing others to use money on ones account (telling, signs) includes of course ALL money donation calls, even if not for ones own sake. A very common misdeed, btw. Getting involves in things like installing a "donation-box", for what ever purpose, fit here as well as an improper conduct.

Those who do, having not enough faith or other objectives, one does right to regard them as poor and they are actually poor in all regards, living with signs of householders in the robes of the Arahats.

Faithful lay people provide joyfull all of what is required for the holly life and there is no need of money or controll at all.

What one feeds, inwardly and outwardly grows for one. That's always important to consider. And good monks are only near to wise and generous, attentive observing ones. That is where one can change ones current conditions to a better and make the most benefical of ones sacrifices.

Vinaya leaves enough "holes" for those still holding on possessions and control via mind and one does not even need to attain Noblehood to respect Vinaya. Those who have really abound the householders way are less, very less, so gifted if meeting or perceive one as such.

In regard of not-knownly receiving: even here are given ways. Should if happen that a monk accidently accepted money or means of exchange - say he received a bag and it contained money hidden in it - he needs to confess it and abound it, attended by fellow, behind the monastery boundary. (Something possible problematic in relation to certain laws, so good if not bringing monks in "troubles" by such.)

...giving cash to a monk, wrong?

Giving is never wrong if not harmfull. Whether a monks receives, accept, is allowed..., that's the monks part. Even if not receiving something, one should not forget that intention is kamma. If one knows that monks are not given by the Buddha to accept, hold, use money, one does of course harm, harm in three ways: first oneself, because feeding lack of faith, secound the individual monk (who might be not strong enough or bad informed), third the reputation of the Sangha at large. So good, after having read all here, proved and understood, to simply abstain from such if used to do.

It's not wrong at all to ask a monk whether he has someone who could take care of a fund for him or the Sangha and to inform about such after then. Sure, there might be those who do not even "hold" assistants. In such cases one is left over to ones creativity how to manage things.

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Re: [Q&A] Is a monk allowed to receive money?
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2023, 10:50:03 PM »
here they are...

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Whether it's gold, silver, paper money,.... is not the point, the point is the inherent power/capability this commodity enable one to buy virtually anything and everything, wherever, whenever, and however one wants that is particularly troublesome to those who have already took the vow of renunciation. As mentioned in my previous post, during the full ordination ceremony, each individual monk/nun have to recite the Vinaya rules one by one and promise to observe and uphold them, while fully aware that they WILL break them eventually. So if money handling is allowed, all monastics would've already broken the 4th precept of lying/false-speech way before the full ordination ceremony is completed! Even in a cut-throat environment like corporate America, if one's caught lying on his resume, s/he'd get the boot in a hurry. So it seems like there're only 2 professions that fully endorse lying: monasticism and politics

It's not wrong, that it is in many cases actually a start with a deliberately lie (except the many cases where people don't even know what they recite. Whether such can be even an ordiantion, if not knowing of what saying, is another huge hot topic).
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Re: [Q&A] Is a monk allowed to receive money?
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2023, 06:06:29 PM »
...and please, don't one think that those "Vinaya-monks" do a better... they simply use a certain formalism to violate the spirit. No need to speak about even booking and holding recipients... Pointless, and sad but true. Atma is aware of not more then 2,maybe 3, where ever looking. There are as good as no more Pabbajitos anywhere, and if, sure to get banned as "fakes"...

And you know, of what ever might be obtained in wrong ways, has gone useless for the Sangha for ever... but they have the Suttas now central by trade, brides and thieves: to learn them to finally know that their already failed and cut themselves and their dependencies off.
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Re: [Q&A] Is a monk allowed to receive money?
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2023, 06:17:13 AM »
...endless stupidy and favors...

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When I first met Ayya X many years ago when she was still in the Bay Area, I tried to give her some cash for her monastery and she directed me to give to the lay steward.

Replay of a misguided: "Sounded like she passed the preliminary nissaggiya test".

Not at all: It's of course likewise use of money, letting make use of money, even if suggesting what to do with it, such as "give it to him", or "good to deposite it there": to be forfeited and confessed (like 95 % of monasteries and whats around, and of course fits as well with Dhamma-literature).

Even if making use of what's obtained wrongly entities a Dukkata offense. Guess where to meet monks and nuns sticking to Vinaya.

As femal are naturally more creative in "not using money", there are plenty additional rules, even after "passing the forfeit".

Does one seriously believe that in this days even palaces come into being if not based on grave faults and huge corrution?
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Re: [Q&A] Is a monk allowed to receive money?
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2023, 12:25:51 PM »
If one dwells near corrupt monks an corrupted families, it's sometimes hard to gain basics, if still seeking, but over all one is never that poor and supportless as those using money or servants to hold it and act for them.

If a good monk in corrupt societies where corrupt monks reign lives, he might die without gotten noticed "he has servants, has family... who looks over him", or get soon thrown out by jealous "fellows", if lay people ever again, look after him first.

It might sound strange, but the one thing, the only thing (as it is a must do thing, other than eat and drink or dwell) Atma often lacks, when wise people are far, are means to shave the head, really sharp razor blades, able to go through fine hair.

It's because nobody in monasteries cares much about it. If needed, people are send to buy next, like else.

Sometimes it happens that huge amounts appear. To reduce the need of wrongdoing for others, not gaining such, always quick shared further, as storing also makes just bussy and big bags are mostly low quality fakes as well.

Over all, it's nevertheless desire for comfort and sensuality that leaves one bond under uneven or other homes.
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