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Like when enter or join, a shrine, another's sphere, or back: good for greating, bye, veneration, short talks, quick help. Some infos on regards .


2024 Apr 18 11:02:00
blazer:  _/\_

2024 Apr 13 06:28:47
Dhammañāṇa: May all travel careful and safe and meet their relatives always in good fortune.

2024 Apr 08 22:43:14
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Apr 08 10:24:31
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Apr 08 06:05:52
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed New moon Uposatha by follow the Brahmacariya.

2024 Apr 06 19:05:27
Dhammañāṇa: * It's not so that one did not received much goodness either.

2024 Apr 06 19:04:36
Dhammañāṇa: It's not so that one received much goodness either.

2024 Apr 06 17:34:34
Dhammañāṇa: Avoid and be grateful anyway, as it's not so that their wasn't a try at least.

2024 Apr 06 17:33:09
Dhammañāṇa: And after others did their things, they get angry... No way to help, just good to avoid.

2024 Apr 06 14:15:01
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Apr 06 10:45:53
Dhammañāṇa: But usually people just seek excuses or let others do the work.

2024 Apr 06 10:44:20
Dhammañāṇa: If people would be clear about dukkha in all, they wouldn't be lazy and let others do, wouldn't consume instead of sacrifice.

2024 Apr 05 22:15:22
Moritz: _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Apr 05 18:51:35
Dhammañāṇa: Sensual craving, control-will, laziness, restlessness, and doubt. Nothing else hinders one from doing sacrifices, for here and for beyond.

2024 Apr 05 18:50:31
អរិយវង្ស: 🤦‍♀️

2024 Apr 05 18:49:10
អរិយវង្ស: ចិន្តីសូត្រ ទី៣ [] https://sangham.net/km/tipitaka/sut/an/03/sut.an.03.003

2024 Apr 05 18:47:40
Dhammañāṇa: Sensual craving, control-will, laziness, restlessness, and doubt. Nothing else hinders one from doing sacrifices, for here and for beyond.

2024 Apr 05 17:04:46
Dhammañāṇa: Yet nobody can take away good deeds done. So why don't just do it.

2024 Apr 05 12:31:40
Dhammañāṇa: When doubt or incapable to control or making one's own, than one does not go for it, often even wishing it destroyed.

2024 Apr 05 12:25:05
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Apr 04 17:32:20
អរិយវង្ស: កូណា _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Apr 04 14:56:02
Dhammañāṇa: Now fine?

2024 Apr 04 14:02:47
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2024 Apr 04 13:58:43
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Apr 04 12:26:48
Dhammañāṇa: Atma moved them (13) to Nyoms private folder.

2024 Apr 04 09:47:09
អរិយវង្ស: កូណាច្រឡំ អាប់ឡូត រូបក្មុង Album លោកតា :o ជជែកគ្នារឿងឆេងម៉េង នៅកន្លែងការងារ បណ្តើរចុចៗ ចូលទៅឡូតចឹងទៅ😌

2024 Apr 04 04:54:49
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a grateful ancestor reminder day, reflecting beings of goodness (in the past) all around.

2024 Apr 04 00:50:34
Dhammañāṇa: :)

2024 Apr 03 22:17:46
អរិយវង្ស: លោកតាលែងបបូល កូណាធ្វើជណ្តើរ?

2024 Apr 03 22:17:18
អរិយវង្ស:  :)

2024 Apr 03 20:27:48
Dhammañāṇa: May the rain have been sufficient enough so that nobody would harm being of goodness, now resisting in other spheres, on tomorrow reminder day at least.

2024 Apr 02 13:03:04
blazer:  Bhante Dhammañāṇa _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Apr 02 07:00:28
Dhammañāṇa: Short after hype in "industrial revolutions" always comes the dark Red.

2024 Apr 01 09:23:59
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Apr 01 06:07:28
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Sila day by observing virtue and reflecting on goodness.

2024 Mar 29 21:32:04
Dhammañāṇa: 500 visitors  Amazon after AI food.

2024 Mar 24 19:07:11
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ 😌

2024 Mar 24 14:13:29
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 24 06:25:25
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha by following the conducts of the Arahats.

2024 Mar 23 13:11:16
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_

2024 Mar 21 01:07:56
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Mar 21 00:28:58
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 20 14:25:49
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 20 12:06:29
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Mar 20 11:24:06
blazer: Good morning everyone  _/\_

2024 Mar 18 21:42:50
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 18 19:43:59
Dhammañāṇa: Mudita, Nyom.

2024 Mar 18 19:36:35
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Undertaking this Sila day at my best.

2024 Mar 18 06:17:10
Dhammañāṇa: Those who undertake the Sila day today: may it be of much metta.

2024 Mar 18 02:16:41
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 17 21:09:31
អរិយវង្ស: 🚬🚬🚬

2024 Mar 17 06:30:53
Dhammañāṇa: Metta-full Sila day, those after it today.

2024 Mar 17 00:02:34
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 11 09:16:04
Dhammañāṇa: Once totally caught by google, AI and machines, every door has been closed for long, long term.

2024 Mar 11 09:14:04
Dhammañāṇa: People at large just wait that another would do his/her duty. Once a slight door to run back, they are gone. By going again just for debts, the wheel of running away turns on.

2024 Mar 10 18:59:10
Dhammañāṇa: Less are those who don't use the higher Dhamma not for defilement-defence, less those who don't throw the basics away and turn back to sensuality "with ease".

2024 Mar 10 06:51:11
Dhammañāṇa: A auspicious new-moon Uposatha for those observing it today.

2024 Mar 09 06:34:39
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed New-moon Uposatha, and birth reminder day of a monarchy of wonders.

2024 Mar 08 21:39:54
Dhammañāṇa: The best way to keep an Ashram silent is to put always duties and Sila high. If wishing it populated, put meditation (eating) on the first place.

2024 Mar 03 21:27:27
Dhammañāṇa: May those undertaking the Sila day today, spend it off in best ways, similar those who go after the days purpose tomorrow.

2024 Feb 25 22:10:33
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 24 06:42:35
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Māgha Pūjā and Full moon Uposatha with much reason for good recallings of goodness.

2024 Feb 24 01:50:55
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 23 06:39:57
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Feb 23 00:19:58
blazer: Taken flu again... at least leg pain has been better managed since many weeks and it's the greatest benefit. Hope Bhante Dhammañāṇa is fine  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 01:06:43
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 00:02:37
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 17 18:47:31
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of todays Sila-day.

2024 Feb 17 18:46:59
Dhammañāṇa: Chau Marco, chau...

2024 Feb 16 23:32:59
blazer: Just ended important burocratic and medical stuff. I will check for a flight for Cambodia soon  _/\_

2024 Feb 09 16:08:32
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 12:17:31
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 06:42:17
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed New moon Uposatha and last day of the Chinese year of the rabbit, entering the Year of the Naga wisely.

2024 Feb 02 21:17:28
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 02 19:53:28
Dhammañāṇa: May all have the possibility to spend a pleasing rest of Sila day, having given goodness and spend a faultless day.

2024 Jan 26 14:40:25
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 25 10:02:46
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Full moon Uposatha.

2024 Jan 11 06:37:21
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 07 06:31:20
Dhammañāṇa: May many, by skilful deeds,  go for real and lasting independence today

2024 Jan 06 18:00:36
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 16:57:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 12:33:08
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila-day, full of metta in thoughts, speech and deeds.

2023 Dec 30 20:21:07
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 27 23:18:38
Dhammañāṇa: May the rest of a bright full moon Uposatha serve many as a blessed day of good deeds.

2023 Dec 26 23:12:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 24 16:52:50
Dhammañāṇa: May all who celebrated the birth of their prophet, declaring them his ideas of reaching the Brahma realm, spend peaceful days with family and reflect the goodness near around them, virtuous, generously.

2023 Dec 20 21:36:37
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 20 06:54:09
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by conducting in peacefull manners.

2023 Dec 12 23:45:24
blazer:  _/\_

2023 Dec 12 20:34:26
Dhammañāṇa: choice, yes  :)

2023 Dec 12 13:23:35
blazer: If meaning freedom of choice i understand and agree

2023 Dec 12 12:48:42
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 12 06:13:23
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a great New Moon Uposatha, following the conducts of the Arahats.

2023 Dec 10 12:51:16
Dhammañāṇa: The more freedom of joice, the more troubled in regard of what's right, what's wrong. My person does not say that people at large are prepared for freedom of joice even a little.

2023 Dec 10 10:59:42
blazer: Hope they eat more mindfully than how they talk. It is clear for the gross food, we had more than a talk about this topic. I have put so much effort in mindful eating at the temple, but when i was back i wanted more refined food. I was used to get a choice of more than 10 dishes every day

2023 Dec 10 06:57:44
Dhammañāṇa: A person eating on unskilled thoughts will last defiled, Nyom. Gross food does nothing for purification at all.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:58
blazer: I've had a couple of not nice experiences with monks that were not so pure in my opinion. They surely eat far better than me at temple.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:41
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 09 11:38:36
Dhammañāṇa: Spiritual prostitution, just another way of livelihood.

2023 Dec 05 20:59:38
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

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Topic Summary

Posted by: Dhammañāṇa
« on: March 05, 2023, 04:20:33 PM »

Gratitude, Nyom, is the path toward release, from any and even all relations. Once Nyom can take just this, Nyom got/took so much indebted, that he wouldn't return.

One demanding stays bond.
Posted by: blazer
« on: March 05, 2023, 03:53:46 PM »

May i have an answer to the question i have asked many times?
Also, is there a specific reason you're not answering my question at first place?
Thank you

 _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Posted by: blazer
« on: March 05, 2023, 03:51:15 PM »

Ven Johann,
as for now, i had the chance to reflect on the relationship and find some of my errors. I also reconsidered the role of parents and their burden. For so, there is a big debt.
Anyway the debt can be extinguished. For example, when a parent harrasses for half life, deprives of heritage, abuses, because of arrogance and stupidity, a big debt can eventually be extinguished, or there can even be a credit.
I gave help, but i'm still convinced i have no debt left, and more, i could even be in credit, expecially by having not taken strong countermeasures to defend myself properly. Actually i consider this could be the case, i have (had) a parent with a debt toward my person.

Why this question?
Thank you

 _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Again, no, Nyom blazer .

There is no such as an ideal, similar of what people agree "this is poor and serves help"

The goodness remains given goodness, what one has taken, received. This is why one is capable to develop the Brahma Viharas toward all being, since hardly a being can be found that was not one father, mother. And it has to begin with the first Gods.

It's also not so that there is such as a universal account that one has to bring to zero, for such is impossible.

By ending of craving, stopping of taking on everything, debtlessness is reached, eg. Arahat ship.

If thinking in ways like " I have given back enough", one does not only open up all ways of denying goodness, but develops also hardly Samvega, goes on to incease indebting, taking on anew.

And again, even the conventional debts toward parents, as the Buddha stated, could not be returned by giving all wealth, all services, but just by assisting them toward non-greed, Sila ...

Practice, again, does not seek to balance wander on, but to develop all goodness supportive to be able to leave. The focus is on goodness. At least, what isn't taken from others, of which Nyom could return? How could he give back the assistance he received as he was total helpless, just seeked to take on things, gain birth. Nobody else did give at that point aside of the own parents.

One who eventually sees the whole worlds caught in debt, Samvega, develops care about every being. But such isn't possible if not strong seeing the duty of taking care about one's Gods at first place, still carry notions of wrong view "I have/had a right".

I understand that a universal account cannot be brought to zero, as it is impossible, and actually a waste of time and effort. I've not told "i've given back enough", i stopped giving help because it was not possible to give further help. I can say, despite my young age and my relative ignorance, i tried many times to teach good behavior, non greed toward money also. Differently i would not have raised this point. Having read the sutta i knew the ways one can repay parents.
I think i currently not have particular problems related to parents.

Quoting this
"The goodness remains given goodness, what one has taken, received."
So what about the evil? It looks it doesn't generate any debt toward the victim? Is it right?


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Posted by: Dhammañāṇa
« on: March 04, 2023, 06:35:42 AM »

Ven Johann,
as for now, i had the chance to reflect on the relationship and find some of my errors. I also reconsidered the role of parents and their burden. For so, there is a big debt.
Anyway the debt can be extinguished. For example, when a parent harrasses for half life, deprives of heritage, abuses, because of arrogance and stupidity, a big debt can eventually be extinguished, or there can even be a credit.
I gave help, but i'm still convinced i have no debt left, and more, i could even be in credit, expecially by having not taken strong countermeasures to defend myself properly. Actually i consider this could be the case, i have (had) a parent with a debt toward my person.

Why this question?
Thank you

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Again, no, Nyom blazer .

There is no such as an ideal, similar of what people agree "this is poor and serves help"

The goodness remains given goodness, what one has taken, received. This is why one is capable to develop the Brahma Viharas toward all being, since hardly a being can be found that was not one father, mother. And it has to begin with the first Gods.

It's also not so that there is such as a universal account that one has to bring to zero, for such is impossible.

By ending of craving, stopping of taking on everything, debtlessness is reached, eg. Arahat ship.

If thinking in ways like " I have given back enough", one does not only open up all ways of denying goodness, but develops also hardly Samvega, goes on to incease indebting, taking on anew.

And again, even the conventional debts toward parents, as the Buddha stated, could not be returned by giving all wealth, all services, but just by assisting them toward non-greed, Sila ...

Practice, again, does not seek to balance wander on, but to develop all goodness supportive to be able to leave. The focus is on goodness. At least, what isn't taken from others, of which Nyom could return? How could he give back the assistance he received as he was total helpless, just seeked to take on things, gain birth. Nobody else did give at that point aside of the own parents.

One who eventually sees the whole worlds caught in debt, Samvega, develops care about every being. But such isn't possible if not strong seeing the duty of taking care about one's Gods at first place, still carry notions of wrong view "I have/had a right".
Posted by: blazer
« on: March 03, 2023, 10:49:48 PM »

Ven Johann,
as for now, i had the chance to reflect on the relationship and find some of my errors. I also reconsidered the role of parents and their burden. For so, there is a big debt.
Anyway the debt can be extinguished. For example, when a parent harrasses for half life, deprives of heritage, abuses, because of arrogance and stupidity, a big debt can eventually be extinguished, or there can even be a credit.
I gave help, but i'm still convinced i have no debt left, and more, i could even be in credit, expecially by having not taken strong countermeasures to defend myself properly. Actually i consider this could be the case, i have (had) a parent with a debt toward my person.

Why this question?
Thank you

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Posted by: Dhammañāṇa
« on: March 03, 2023, 09:53:51 PM »

I want to thank Bhante and Upasaka Blazer for sharing this discussion which has been helpful to me to get into the right mindest on the way to visiting my parents, helpong my father, which went without any conflicts this time.

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Master Moritz,
i'm very happy it helped you!
Mudita  _/\_

Ven Johann,
possibly i'm missing something, but it is very important for me to understand so i have to ask further: how can a chat help in some cases?
After reflection i tought it is possible to repay a debt with parents, and looking for info i've found that the extinction is possible. But i feel it is not good to work with incomplete informations, or better, with informations which miss important points.
So it looks to me it was an error or it was for a purpose, i cannot find other reasons, also because i'm "expecting" perfection in answers or something similar.
May Ven Johann please clarify.
Thank you

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Using delta-chat (via email) allows voice, Nyom. That's maybe better. (just install app, use enail account and write to samana.johann@sangham.net or create a group, maybe adding Nyom Moritz. as well, as groups are always better then just two.)

Ven. Johann,
thanks for your answer. Of course it can be of some help (ven if i prefer to have your words written for better understanding, multiple reading), but still i don't understand why that information was missing. It looks to me it was not a problem of chat/voice availability, the info was just missing.
Please help me to understand.
Thank you

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Could Nyom repeat of what he now understands in regard of "giving care", better duties toward parents? (btw. talk is better for cross-intensivation and fill graps, but lets try, step by step)
Posted by: blazer
« on: March 03, 2023, 09:35:55 PM »

I want to thank Bhante and Upasaka Blazer for sharing this discussion which has been helpful to me to get into the right mindest on the way to visiting my parents, helpong my father, which went without any conflicts this time.

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Master Moritz,
i'm very happy it helped you!
Mudita  _/\_

Ven Johann,
possibly i'm missing something, but it is very important for me to understand so i have to ask further: how can a chat help in some cases?
After reflection i tought it is possible to repay a debt with parents, and looking for info i've found that the extinction is possible. But i feel it is not good to work with incomplete informations, or better, with informations which miss important points.
So it looks to me it was an error or it was for a purpose, i cannot find other reasons, also because i'm "expecting" perfection in answers or something similar.
May Ven Johann please clarify.
Thank you

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Using delta-chat (via email) allows voice, Nyom. That's maybe better. (just install app, use enail account and write to samana.johann@sangham.net or create a group, maybe adding Nyom Moritz. as well, as groups are always better then just two.)

Ven. Johann,
thanks for your answer. Of course it can be of some help (ven if i prefer to have your words written for better understanding, multiple reading), but still i don't understand why that information was missing. It looks to me it was not a problem of chat/voice availability, the info was just missing.
Please help me to understand.
Thank you

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Posted by: Dhammañāṇa
« on: March 03, 2023, 08:49:20 PM »

I want to thank Bhante and Upasaka Blazer for sharing this discussion which has been helpful to me to get into the right mindest on the way to visiting my parents, helpong my father, which went without any conflicts this time.

 _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

Master Moritz,
i'm very happy it helped you!
Mudita  _/\_

Ven Johann,
possibly i'm missing something, but it is very important for me to understand so i have to ask further: how can a chat help in some cases?
After reflection i tought it is possible to repay a debt with parents, and looking for info i've found that the extinction is possible. But i feel it is not good to work with incomplete informations, or better, with informations which miss important points.
So it looks to me it was an error or it was for a purpose, i cannot find other reasons, also because i'm "expecting" perfection in answers or something similar.
May Ven Johann please clarify.
Thank you

 _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

Using delta-chat (via email) allows voice, Nyom. That's maybe better. (just install app, use enail account and write to samana.johann@sangham.net or create a group, maybe adding Nyom Moritz. as well, as groups are always better then just two.)
Posted by: blazer
« on: March 03, 2023, 08:12:16 PM »

I want to thank Bhante and Upasaka Blazer for sharing this discussion which has been helpful to me to get into the right mindest on the way to visiting my parents, helpong my father, which went without any conflicts this time.

 _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

Master Moritz,
i'm very happy it helped you!
Mudita  _/\_

Ven Johann,
possibly i'm missing something, but it is very important for me to understand so i have to ask further: how can a chat help in some cases?
After reflection i tought it is possible to repay a debt with parents, and looking for info i've found that the extinction is possible. But i feel it is not good to work with incomplete informations, or better, with informations which miss important points.
So it looks to me it was an error or it was for a purpose, i cannot find other reasons, also because i'm "expecting" perfection in answers or something similar.
May Ven Johann please clarify.
Thank you

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Posted by: Dhammañāṇa
« on: February 24, 2023, 08:21:06 PM »

mudita
Posted by: Moritz
« on: February 24, 2023, 08:16:49 PM »

I want to thank Bhante and Upasaka Blazer for sharing this discussion which has been helpful to me to get into the right mindest on the way to visiting my parents, helpong my father, which went without any conflicts this time.

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Posted by: Dhammañāṇa
« on: February 20, 2023, 08:04:47 PM »

Maybe Nyom blazer likes to make use of delta-chat, since voice might be sometimes better to avoid misunderstandings or missing points.

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good to know ones releases from all debts once going to the holy life. Could you please give sutta reference?

Going for higher, letting sensual pleasures behind, harmful behind, releases from lower bonds, yes. Yet, 1. not simply by starting the higher task, is one already free from all debts. Again, only and Arahat is free from debts, while one in training still does on debts (if good, just toward the Gems).

2. As debts toward parents are very high, first: the Buddha required to having parents permission to go for higher , second: allowed to care for parents even if gone forth, if required.

Posted by: blazer
« on: February 20, 2023, 03:13:34 PM »


As for relations of goodness, like parents or others who gave one sphere to become, conditions, means, skills... actually everything, one could carry them a whole live on ones shoulders, massage, wash, feed, give them all wealth, one still would not be able to repay it, yet if one turns one's stingy parents to generosity, unvirtuose, to virtue, unwise toward wisdom... such, aside of the common duties, would be a child of real gratitude, did the best to repay their goodness.

That's a great opportunity and good if not missing any change to act grateful as possible.

Ven. Johann,
for the point 1, if so is the answer, may i ask why didn't you at time mention the possibility, actually a useful notion, of extinguishment, which could have already happend or eventually possible?
Thank you

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Atma is not sure of what's Nyom asked in detail, but guessing that it's now lesser about the fact of duty, debt, but if it can be repayed. Guessing that it's reasked because not repeating the once told.

Aside of that in the mentioned in the linked Sutta, which is not always possible, going after the holly life, if gotten leave, releases form all debts, is highest gratitude, unbiased toward all. Still, when there is relay, it required to do ones duties.

Only an Arahat is without debts and duties, acts simply liberal.

Ven. Johann,
good to know ones releases from all debts once going to the holy life. Could you please give sutta reference?

Your guessing is correct, even if it's not the main reason.
The question arose because i considered this extinguishment point relevant about the topic on parents debt and giving care, expecially in my situation.
The reason is, my toughts, speech and action are influenced by what i read. I can consider it a missing information, which actually drives my behavior.
For example, i could have tought "based on my life and reasoning, i've already extinguished my debt".

Because it is not the first time i feel in this situation of missing informations, i respectfully ask if in such cases there is a purpose or it is just an "error", seen as incomplete answer or as not having reported something relevant ( which my person considers such ).
Thank you

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Posted by: Dhammañāṇa
« on: February 20, 2023, 05:56:31 AM »


As for relations of goodness, like parents or others who gave one sphere to become, conditions, means, skills... actually everything, one could carry them a whole live on ones shoulders, massage, wash, feed, give them all wealth, one still would not be able to repay it, yet if one turns one's stingy parents to generosity, unvirtuose, to virtue, unwise toward wisdom... such, aside of the common duties, would be a child of real gratitude, did the best to repay their goodness.

That's a great opportunity and good if not missing any change to act grateful as possible.

Ven. Johann,
for the point 1, if so is the answer, may i ask why didn't you at time mention the possibility, actually a useful notion, of extinguishment, which could have already happend or eventually possible?
Thank you

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Atma is not sure of what's Nyom asked in detail, but guessing that it's now lesser about the fact of duty, debt, but if it can be repayed. Guessing that it's reasked because not repeating the once told.

Aside of that in the mentioned in the linked Sutta, which is not always possible, going after the holly life, if gotten leave, releases form all debts, is highest gratitude, unbiased toward all. Still, when there is relay, it required to do ones duties.

Only an Arahat is without debts and duties, acts simply liberal.
Posted by: blazer
« on: February 20, 2023, 02:11:08 AM »


As for relations of goodness, like parents or others who gave one sphere to become, conditions, means, skills... actually everything, one could carry them a whole live on ones shoulders, massage, wash, feed, give them all wealth, one still would not be able to repay it, yet if one turns one's stingy parents to generosity, unvirtuose, to virtue, unwise toward wisdom... such, aside of the common duties, would be a child of real gratitude, did the best to repay their goodness.

That's a great opportunity and good if not missing any change to act grateful as possible.

Ven. Johann,
for the point 1, if so is the answer, may i ask why didn't you at time mention the possibility, actually a useful notion, of extinguishment, which could have already happend or eventually possible?
Thank you

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