Aramika
Quote from: Ayya Sudhamm via emailDear Venerable,
Oh no, I'm so sorry! I myself asked him & his community to try to find Khmer scriptures for the benefit of Cambodian people, particularly a Cambodian nun whom I have been teaching. I alone am responsible for his sudden interest in these scriptures. Please forgive us. Is there some way to make things right?
Metta,
Sudhamma
On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 7:22 PM [Charlotte Buddhist Vihara] <info@charlottebuddhistvihara.org> wrote:
From: Samana Johann <samana.johann@sangham.net>
Subject: Charlotte Buddhist Vihara Contact Form Submission
Message Body:
Good Ayya is maybe not aware, but the thieves of SC, leaded by Sujato Bhikkhu , are currently undertaking to steal the Khmer Tipitaka.
As it is propably the last not plundered Dhamma, my person trusts that Ayya is wise enough to, at least counter act herself in regard of such ways. It is to be assumed that the chef thief of Noble Culture can not be brought back on line and with him those associate with him.
It would be good if Ayya makes clear to be not actively involved and support downfall activity.
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Good Ayya Sudhamma,
Good to hear that being not involved in their undertakings. Sadhu, Sadhu.
My person does not think that there had been anything wrong aside of possible association with what isn't good to associate, but it's surely hard for 'western' nuns to be not caught by this group opposing the tradition. Of course it could be also a heavy fault in certain circumstances.
My person has send the possibilities to make use of given means, and can not communicate with google and co. Ayya is welcome to make use. (email, sangham-account).
Best way, how ever, as there is a viral femal Sangha in Cambodia, is to be and stay in contact with the nuns of Wat Maha Panna Foundation , and Ayya Kammatthana .
They also have an own Tipitaka, yet not really touch able by the Sangha of Bhikkhus. Ayya would find it here, incl. notes: https://forum.sangham.net/index.php?topic=8624.msg14786#msg14786
As for the sangham-tipitaka, as already given (https://forum.sangham.net/index.php?topic=2446.0), transcription and raw prove-read is done after 7, 8 year by Upasika Norum, and my person works on editing it further into proper standard (maybe another 5 years till a draft can be given offical to the khmer Sangha).
May my person ask of who the Bhikkhuni Saddha is, as not known? My person got just in touch with a Samaneri ( Sadhajivi ) held strange ordination in Sri Lanka, with ( Mettajivi Bhikkhuni).
As there is good contact to the Khmer Bhikkhuni Sangha, good if getting as soon as possible in touch, and good to use proper given means, not follow modern, householder ways, and ideas of "I have a right".
Btw, good Ayya,
helping children, dependencies, likewise in the tradition of the Noble Ones, would be done in Asian cultures always through the parents, trough the Nissaya. First to do not destry the bond and second, children and disciples of former other sects are very rebellious, whould not feel bond to Nissaya, thinking "I don't need, i relay on the Sangha" and soon become likewise marxist Sociaty in the west? (See support of new Bhikkhu by fellows: to be done via his Nissaya, and duties of disciple, not to receive and assist 'enemies' of ones Nissaya, in addition to the downfall danger for Bhikkhunis by wrong association).
The 'giving the leader, or parents, when wishing to support, and let them act, knowning their childrenj policy goes against western destructive ways which are up to destroy dependencies and lead to rebellion, disrespect and lack of gratitude, close up doors to path, fruits, Jhana.
Good Venerable,
the tradition opposing monks of Suttacentral leaded by Sujato, are currently progressing to copy-steal the Khmer Tipitaka. As good Venerable might be not aware and has not proper protected the Sangha heritage an Dana of devoted Layperson, it would be good to act in ways proper to avoid lose toward Devadatta.
Some infos:
Punk-monks are currently copy-stealing the Khmer-Tipitaka https://cambodiaexpatsonline.com/cambodian-culture-and-language/punk-monks-are-currently-copy-stealing-the-khmer-tipitaka-t48537.html
"Sutta-DE-central" the never ending stories of foolishness https://forum.sangham.net/index.php?topic=629.msg27628#msg27628
https://discourse.suttacentral.net/t/help-me-find-ebts-in-khmer/22954
My person hardly encourages good Ven. to neither approve nor support this cultur thieving and downfall transgression.
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa
...Thus from corrupt Dhamma comes corrupt discipline; from corrupt discipline, corrupt Dhamma...
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Gunaghoso:
Here is what I can do! Have a nice day!
Johann:
Sadhu Sadhu
And stop receiving money for Dhamma! Sanghadisea 13 or even Pārājika 3!
Johann:
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Gunaghoso:
They also know that, it’s look like rude words, shouldn’t use that word on public.
Johann:
What about: "In high respect toward the Sublime Gems: I, Venerable Gunaghosa, am trying to take care of the Khmer-translation of the Tipitaka here (generously given by faithful Buddhaparisada), which is and remains the possession of the Khmer Sangha. Do not copy without permission except for own respectful study purpose. You may always share a link to this page and Sublime text. All mistakes here should be seen as my faults, and may the Tripple Gems pardon unintentional typing and other mistakes."?
Kana, how ever, thinks it would be better if Bhante makes further use of the domain sangham.net, since it is given and not wrong gained (by using money). No problem to make similar layout as well, once site references are added.
What has been obtained by money should be forfeit toward the Sangha. This page is total wrong in regard of Vinaya and nobody using it could gain Path or fruits.
Gunaghoso:
What do you mean to replace domain name to sangham.net? Who is the owner of sangham.net?
Johann:
Maybe Bhante likes to start to help to add short infos about single Suttas in the Indexes:
https://sangham.net/km/tipitaka/sut/mn/sut.mn
https://sangham.net/km/tipitaka/sut/dn/sut.dn
https://sangham.net/km/tipitaka/sut/an/sut.an
https://sangham.net/km/tipitaka/sut/sn/sut.sn
Bhante is given and invited to make use of all in proper manner on sangham.net, it's all Sangha-Dana.
If Bhante allows, Kana can maybe use his pages to add all page reverence to the singe book sites (originals) https://sangham.net/km/tipitaka/book_index
Gunaghoso:
I have no experience on forum or php code, so, let done what you can do, I can’t help.
Johann:
sangham.net has been given by Upasaka, Upasika, mainly Khmer but also other countries for the Sangha of the eight direction. Formal (worldly owner: Sophorn Ban and Moritz Raguschat, see imprint: https://sangham.net/en/imprint ) it's hosted currently in German with high secret copyright laws since no khmer domain yet.
Khmer Tipitaka was given by Upasika Norum toward the Sangha: https://forum.sangham.net/index.php?topic=2440.msg10628#msg10628
No, no. Its dokuwiki, similay to wiki pedia. Only txt-files, easy to do, Bhante. Bhante needs no it-skills at all, and Admin, Nyom Moritz, looks after IT (mathemathic dipl. ing.)
No money involved and 100% pure (on two sides purified, if Bhante understands)
Bhante could then later imbed the pages, or make redirect. No a new monk, spontanious going fouth came.
Gunaghoso:
I am khmer monk in Viet Nam, I am done what I can do for khmer online community. if you want to do something on your page sangham.net as the owner, just do it, I don’t care much.
Johann:
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Again, my person isn't owner. Sangha is owner and nobody can give things of the Sangha away. Bhante is given to make use of what belongs to the Sangha. If he prefers to make use of what isn't given or wrong gained, also this is his choice, yet has deep consequences in regard of relation to the Gems.
Gunaghoso:
I don’t care because it’s out of my sight, my control. I just can not do more than my ability. And I don’t understand what is your mean in the end, or you want me to attack the owner of suttacentrel?
See you later, have a nice day!
You always talk about khmer tipitaka, and I just told you where I am, is that wrong? Stop it, let show me the point.
Johann:
May Bhante do as he think's it proper. Kana can not help him out.
If Bhante maybe later comes to mind and seeing the given and blessed way out, may Bhante always feel welcome to return to it.
Is the khmer tipitaka translated from pali? Do you know who translated it? Do khmer have their own pali version as well?
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa
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(៣. កស្សបគោត្តសុត្តំ)
[២៤៥] សម័យមួយ ព្រះកស្សបគោត្រមានអាយុ នៅក្នុងដងព្រៃមួយ នាដែនកោសល។ ក៏ក្នុងសម័យនោះ ព្រះកស្សបគោត្រ មានអាយុ ចូលទៅកាន់ទីសម្រាក ក្នុងវេលាថ្ងៃ ហើយប្រដៅព្រានម្រឹគម្នាក់។
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បពិត្រភិក្ខុ លោកបំភ្លឺនូវឱវាទចំពោះព្រានម្រឹគ ដែលអាប់ប្រាជ្ញា ឥតចិត្ត ជាអ្នកត្រាច់ទៅក្នុងទីភ្នំ ដែលលំបាកដើរ ក្នុងកាលខុស (នេះ) ហាក់ដូចជាជនល្ងង់ បំភ្លឺនូវឱវាទចំពោះខ្ញុំដែរ បុគ្គលពាល បើស្តាប់ (ធម៌) ក៏មិនដឹងសេចក្តី បើពិនិត្យមើល ក៏មិនឃើញ ទាំងមិនភ្ញាក់ខ្លួននឹងសេចក្តីក្នុងធម៌ ដែលលោកម្ចាស់សំដែងប្រាប់ បពិត្រព្រះកស្សប ទោះបីលោកនឹងទ្រោលបំភ្លឺប្រទីប គ្រប់ម្រាមដៃទាំង១០ បុគ្គលពាល ក៏មិនឃើញរូបទាំងឡាយបានទេ ព្រោះថា បញ្ញាចក្ខុរបស់បុគ្គលពាលនោះ គ្មានឡើយ។
គ្រានោះឯង ព្រះកស្សបគោត្រមានអាយុ ក៏ដល់នូវសេចក្តីសង្វេគ ដោយសារទេវតានោះធ្វើឲ្យសង្វេគ។
9. 1. 3.
(3) Kassapagotta or Cheta - Venerable Kassapagotta
I heard thus. At one time a certain bhikkhu lived in a stretch of forest in the country of Kosala.
[2] The bhikkhu, at that time, gone to his seclusion advised a native (forest/ wild, unrelated, hunter/collector, internet-forest-dweller).
[3] A deity living in that stretch of forest out of compassion, wishing to arouse samvega, approached him.
[4] Having approached said these stanzas:
“Bhikkhu, hunter&collector living in the mountains are not wise and do not think
It's not suitable to advise them, I think you are foolish.
He listens but does not know, looks but does not see you
The foolish do not know and you cannot seize them with righteousness.
If in day light Kassapa is carried away, he will not see forms,
And we will not see him.”
[5] Then venerable Kassapagotta made terrified by the deity became concerned.
(broadcast via "Anumodana" mailing list)
Venerable Members of the Sangha,
Valued Buddhaparisa,
my person feels the need to address all in regard of urgent issue: Undertaking in copy-stealing the Khmer-Tipitaka (last not sold out version in the world) and put it under public domain. (ការលួចចម្លងព្រះត្រៃបិដកខ្មែ Undertaking to copy-steal Khmer Tipitaka by SC-monks https://forum.sangham.net/index.php?topic=10578.msg27628#msg27628 )
The group of monks and nun, public leaded by Sujato with many other monks of improper livelihood, (who actually have long lost this status) of suttacentral.net, a radical anarchic political undertaken that opposes traditional culture and religion, in co-work with trading people and politic, currently undertakes also the copy-stealing of the Khmer-Tipitaka, and putting it into public (no-copy-rights) domain, which makes the Sanghas heritage legal an object free to modify by everybody and an object of trade, with not even moral protection (one can now legal print it as toilet decoration or on war head, modify and share as wishing). By the means of using a young Khmer-son, living in US, as subject of action for their evil deeds (like similar in other cases befor), they currentlly store the thief on github (https://github.com/suttacentral/khmer) and ignor any rebuke.
The now existing transcription of it was generosly made by Upasika Norum (https://chhouk-krohom.com/) over the last 10 years and generously donated toward the Sangha via (a her personal unknown ) Venerable from Kampuchea Krom, Bhante Gunaghosa (http://ti-kh.org/) and my person, hosted and further edited via https://sangham.net/km/tipitaka/index (currently taken from public), both, and many others, putting much effort into bringing it into accessable standard and correcting spelling over long time and with huge efforts. Objected to officially give an edited digital version "back" to the Khmer Sangha, the given undertaking might require some further 5 to ten years. (https://forum.sangham.net/index.php?topic=2440.msg10628#msg10628)
Since this days the misuse of culture and heritage by means of grave wrong view by "I have a right (to consume/take)" and the use of affection of "poor", woman and other emotional agendas for gains is very common, as well as making holy things to means of trade, is very common, it's surely not easy to find righteous people who put moral before gain, but there are still some in the last traditional Dhamma-country in this world.
My person likes to success the Venerables as well the whole Buddhaparissa to consider forwarding the issue to whom ever knowing annd possible able to bring the issue on places where those with certain control could prevent a huge cultural disaster, equal total deforestation.
If anybody has the possibility to approach the Venerable Sangha Leader, the Great King, the Great Prime minister, the Minister of Religious affairs, the Minister of fine art and cultur, or other executive Ministries, it's actually a matter of duty to render assistance for one in relation of a community.
Since, especially western social medias are total occupied by ideas of destroying authorities and any holy thing, it's merely contra-productive to publish the issue by public awareness.
Nevertheless, like when the community heritage like forest and state-land are burned down and occupied, plunder has become total common, it's a matter of civil courage to act preventive, while of course without wwrong doing, in what ever way one might be able or even would have the duty.
Personally seeing only small hope that total destruction of even the last Dhammic resort in this world can be prevented, and like the authors of the Khmer Tipitaka had been killed right after the finishing of the Khmer Tipitaka by this "revolutionary" ideology, it would be not compare-able if not trying to render assistance when even the deestruction of the last forest goes on, as some who could do things, might be just not aware and later very touched by what hass happened within their sphere.
Similar, more successful already, and possible not known by authorities as currently other strong problem, has been done in regaard of Burmese, Sri Lanka and Thai heritage: also here a matter to inform the leaders and authorities.
My person thinks that there is no need to mention the huge merits in helping to extinguish the heritage set on fire and carried away by deluded thieves.
And it's surely clear that monks and nuns, with no shame of taking what's not given, like villagers in the forest, by many previous and current undertakings, are no more a little related to the Gems, acting simply in manners of Devadatta in disguise of friend for honor and gain in the world, stealing from both, the Sublime Sangha, and common societies, their heritage and going after non-existence and destruction of both by destroying proper relations.
A similar undertaking, financed by US has been successful the last. month as well: "Buddhist Digital Resource Center removes heritage from the Sangha" (https://forum.sangham.net/index.php?topic=10629.msg27993#msg27993)
(may bad english and typos be pardoned and the deep of the meaning be seen)
By the power of the Gems, may those with devotion toward the Sublime Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha, be always protected by the Gems and those related to them.
metta & mudita
Samana Johann
(forest monk, Phnom Aural, Kingdom of Kampuchea, 28.2.2023)
Nyom, sad to see that left back to the low life. As currently strong effort to copy steal the tipitaka, maybe good to return it to the Sangha.
At least all Dana had been given toward the Gems. Enough damage of faith that Nyom takes all else into the world back.
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កូណាបានផ្ញើដំណឹងនេះ តាមអ៊ីម៉េលទៅបងស្រី Norum ។
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