Zufluchtnahme und Silas online nehmen - Refuge and requesting Silas online

[Johann]

 

Werte Dhammafreunde, liebe Besucher, [englisch ]

da es vielleicht für den einen oder anderen schwierig sein mag, die Möglichkeit einer formalen Zufluchtnahme zu den drei Juwelen und die Silas (Tugendregeln) zu erbitten, möchten wir ihnen hier im Forum die Gelegenheit hierfür anbieten. Dies dient nicht dazu die Möglichkeit zu ersetzen, den Schritt zu einem Mönch oder zu einer Nonne, oder zu einer eingewiesenen tugendhaften Person in ihrer Nähe zu tun, doch kann es in vielen Fällen der Fall sein, daß da keiner in der Nähe zu finden ist oder das Aufsuchen vielleicht mehr an Nachteile für sie oder andere bringt als vielleicht der Nutzen wäre.

Es wurde hierfür ein Thema im Unterforum Uposatha ceremonies (sikkhā samādāna) (dieses ist nur für angemeldete Teilnehmer einsichtig) als Die Fünf Tugendregeln erbitten angelegt.

Wir möchten Ihnen damit sicherlich ein frei gegebenes Service anbieten aber noch mehr, dazu ermutigen, von diesen "Ritual" Gebrauch zu machen, ob nun in regelmäßiger Weise zu den Uposathatagen, zum erstmaligen Bekennen, als spontane Inspiration oder zum Wiederherstellen oder Erneuern der Silas, nach einem Bruch.

Es freut und sehr, daß die ehrenwerte Kusala (eine Laienlehrerin, die sich an acht Sila hält, mit langjähriger Praxis und Wissen in Bezug auf Dhamma und Vinaya, wie auch Meditationslehrerin) sich zur Verfügung gestellt hat, diese Handlung zu betreuen. Auch meine Person steht gerne hierfür zur Verfügung.

Bitte scheuen Sie sich nicht hierfür auch in diesem Thema Fragen über Ablauf oder Voraussetzungen zu stellen. Dies können Sie auch, wenn Sie im Forum nicht angemeldet sind. Für Allgemeine Fragen zur Zuflucht und zum Annehmen der Silas, finden Sie zahlreiche Themen im Forum und Sie sind herzlich eingeladen jederzeit ein Thema zu einer Frage neu zu erstellen.

Selbstverständlich ist diese Möglichkeit mit keinerlei Kosten oder bestimmter Gegenerwartung verbunden. So wie immer im Dhamma, wenn Sie jenen, die Dhamma offen teilen, dankbar sein wollen, dann gibt es keine bessere Möglichkeit, es das Gegebene und Gelernte selbst umzusetzen.

 



 
 
Dear valued Dhamma Friend, dear Visitor,

as it may be difficult for some of you to find a way of formal access to take Refuge to the Three Juwels and to the Silas (Moral Precepts), we hereby would like to offer this possibility here in this forum. Please be aware that this is no replacement of  seeing  a monk, a nun or a virtuous person within reach  in person, but to enable the access when none of the former is right at hand or the visit itself would bring more disadvantages than benefit to the person.

Therefore a specific topic in the subforum  Uposatha ceremonies (sikkhā samādāna)   (which is only readable for registered members) was applied as Requesting the five precepts .
By offering you this service we also wanted to ensure that it was openly given and also wanted to encourage all of you to really make use of this “ritual” – may it be regularly on Uposatha Days, or as a denomination for the very first time, as a spontaneous inspiration or as a recondition or renewal of the Silas after a breach.

We are very happy to know that our valued Kusala (a laity teacher who keeps the eight Silas, who has been practicing for years, has profound knowledge of Dhamma, Vinaya and is also a meditation teacher) has agreed to look after this undertaking. Of course, I am also gladly here for your disposal.

Please, don’t be shy to ask any questions in this thread about course of actions or prerequisites. You are welcome to do this, even if you are not registered yet. For common questions for Taking Refuge or the Acceptance of the Silas, please find the numerous threads in the Forum and you are always welcome to pose a new question at any time.

It is also a great pleasure to ensure you that this new offer we have is not bound to any costs or any specific form of expected counteraction. As it is always in the course of Dhamma, the moment you receive from ones who have shared Dhamma openly with you and you want to show your gratitude, then there is no better possibility than to put the given and learned into your very own practice.

 
 
[Danke für das Übersetzen, Sophorn]

[Kusaladhamma]

Es freut mich Ihnen mitteilen zu dürfen, das die werte Kusala sich nach Anfrage, zur Verfügung gestellt hat, ebenfalls die Zuflucht und die Silas hier innerhalb unsere Möglichkeiten zu geben.

Gerne kann man auch per PN einen "Skype-Termin" mit mir vereinbaren.
Da klappt es dann besser mit dem nachsprechen

Liebe Grüße und Metta

Kusala

[Johann]

Danke schön für das großzügige Angebot, Kusala.

 

* Johann hat sich erlaubt den Betrag von Kusala Anderenorts abzuschneiden und hier anzuhängen, daß jeder von dem alternativen Angebot Gebrauch machen kann.

[Marcel]

werte sangham.net-gemeinde,

ich möchte gerne die silas erneuern! (erneut nehmen) kann mir da jemand hier im forum behilflich sein?

alles gute
marcel

[Johann]

Werter Upasika Marcel,

Anleitungen und Beschreibung der Verschiedenen Möglichkeiten, finden Sie im Uposatha/Sila ceremonies - [Uposatha/Sila Zeremonien] sikkhā samādāna  . Sollten Sie keinen Zugang haben, müssen Sie zuerst in Ihren Mitgliedschaften - Einstellungen in Ihren Profileinstellungen , die Mitgliedschaft "Saranagata" nehmen. Dann sollte das Forum für Sie sichtbar sein.

Saranagata (Zufluchtnehmender) in die drei Juwelen (Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha) erlaubt ihnen vollen Zugriff im Dhammalehren-Bereich im Vihara und zu den Uposatha Zeremonien für Laien. In der Zeit in der Bhikkhuns oder Bhuikkhunis im Kloster verweilen, können Sie diese direkt um Zuflucht und die Tugendregeln bitten. Bitte bedenken Sie, daß diese Angelegenheit einen gewissen Demut benötigt. Wenn Sie nur beobachten wollen, ist das auch völlig in Ordnung, doch versuchen Sie nicht zu stören. Diese Foren sind weniger normale Diskussionsforen, dafür gibt es genügend andere Bereiche.

[Administration]

Aramika  

Ein oder mehrer Beiträge wurden hier im Thema abgeschnitten und damit in neues Thema "Übersetzung von Bhikkhu Tissa meets a Sceptic " eröffnet. Bitte scheuen Sie nicht davor zurück, etwaigen Rat oder Kritik dazu mitzuteilen.  Viel Freude und Inspiration auch im neuen Thema. Anumodana!

One or more posts have been cut out of this topic here. A new topic, based on it, has been created as "Übersetzung von Bhikkhu Tissa meets a Sceptic " . Please do not hesitate to claim or give supporting hints.  Much joy and inspiration also in the new Topic. Anumodana!

[Johann]

Nyom maranadhammomhi , my person came across your Question "how to take formal refuge and precepts" on DW some days ago and just remembered. Mudita! The text Nyom may find here: Formal request . For listening Nyom may use the audios, given in the online-request topic (Text is not translated there for now)

[Johann]

Since not easy in this days to take refuge, being reminded, perceiving the Tripple Gems, inwardly and outwardy, in right way for many wandering around in times of degeneration, often far from desired relation, splitt: Would Ven. Ariyadhammika , if approached, give "dependency", refuge in the Trippli Gems, and renewing, here and explaining, counting, encouragement for the precepts, as well as renewing? Is there any obstacle that needs to be taken away so that such is possible and also not two much burden?

As from experiance, such, if undertaking, even or especially in this very fine access domain, is of huge impact for both, the gainer and giver, and purification of relay that leads to independency.

My person askes especially because there are those who deny the greater impact of virtuality in finer sphere with refined touch, thinking gross material touch has more impact and althought relaying steedy on it prefer to deny it's worth, look after more "real works", "real" and material sacrifices.

Surely, the "Devas" aren't easy to be taught, but this Dhamma isn't only accessable in human conditions for those remember and see ordinary hardships in the world of sensuallity and the danger of falling back or even lower birth with less flexibility to gain touch on refined.

Thereare some inspiring samples, Kana used to do in German, till jet not so developed it Englich, her: Die Fünf Tugendregeln erbitten - Requesting the five precepts

[Johann]

  Okasa Bhante Ariyadhammika ,

Kana thinks that Bante may have had given some question another thought after global change short after being raised. Here in regard of online taking refuge, since got known that most countries are closed up and certain lock down might also have there impart, how does Bhante now think about the giving of such possibility?

Having been clear about soon future situation - the circumstance that actyally meeting if from other sphere will be very hard - is one of the main reasons for efforts, visions and developments here to give still access to the Sangha in proper ways.

Cambodia is currently, as far as aware, the only country accessible via certain kinds of travel. It was, is, actually a kind of "Eins, zwei oder drei? Du mußt dich entscheiden, drei Felder sind frei" "Game" going on, many already missed out by not winning timely over doubt.

Somehow like "Wir lagen vor Madagaskar und hatten die Pest an Bord..."

Didn't the folk which lifes withinthis fine material world actually provide with many thinks helpful for the path and wouldn't it not proper placed goodness if providing a condition that allows certain Kamma for the path ripe, like the Sublime Buddha and Arahats used to travel on instead from locking themselves away?

[Johann]

Bhante Khemakumara ,

as reasonable time and circumstsnces, as Bhante himself was one taking refuge and precepts online, and as Bhante has grown more then qualified to give this gifts by himself: Woukd Bhante give others the possibility, best via Sanghamessenger (as actually "just" an email client, allowing smooth audio and other communication, similar commercial apps, but on total liberation dedicated base)? If there are lay people, wishing to take refuge and precepts, or renew them, yet hindered bodily to approach, would Bhante receive and follow requests?

[Khemakumara]

 

Bhante Johann ,

when someone wants to practice  in a way that is leading out of suffering, for the well-being of oneself and others by taking refuge into the triple Gem and practicing kusala sila , then Kana is willing to take part, out of thankfulness, respect and goodwill as someone who wants to take care and guide through that what was already given out of compassion by the Sublime Buddha.

so someone is able to take on right practice, samma patipat, and release themselves step by step, through own effort,
with the Sublime Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha as refuge.


Sīlena sugatiṃ yanti.
Through virtue they go to a good bourn.

Sīlena bhoga-sampadā.
Through virtue is wealth attained.

Sīlena nibbutiṃ yanti.
Through virtue they go to Liberation.

Tasmā sīlaṃ visodhaye.
Therefore we should purify our virtue.




“
[Dhotaka:]
I see in the world of beings
   divine & human,
a brahman who lives
possessing      nothing.
   I pay homage to him
   the All-around Eye.
From my doubts, O Sakyan, release me!

[The Buddha:]
No one in the world, Dhotaka,
can I release from doubting.
But knowing the most excellent Dhamma,
you will cross over the flood.

[Dhotaka:]
Teach with compassion, O brahman,
the Dhamma of seclusion
so that I may know —
so that I, unafflicted as space,
may live right here,
   independent,
   at peace.

[The Buddha:]
I will teach you peace
   — in the here & now,
   not quoted words —
knowing which, living mindfully,
you'll go beyond
entanglement in the world.

[Dhotaka:]
And I relish, Great Seer,
that peace       supreme,
knowing which, living mindfully,
I'll go beyond
entanglement in the world.”

Dhotaka-manava-puccha: Dhotaka's Questions

https://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/kn/snp/snp.5.05.than_en.html

[Johann]

Sadhu, Sadhu

May all get in touch of given possibility, to make use of it, when ever inspired, when ever there's an opening.

[Johann]

  Okasa Bhante Ariyadhammika,

Valued Buddhaparisa and Refuge-seeker,

My person has now created a group direct accessable via using the Sangha-messenger and the attached QR-code.

Bhante Khemakumara , or others could be adressed via email or just letting it known here, so one could be added.

Good, how ever, if using given app, as without strings to the world as well as a real Name and a proper picture of oneself. If using app, messages can be set as disappearing messengers (after wished timespann) and so wouldn't be saved, if one wishes so (works only if using app).

Currently set as "avaliable" members: Bhante Ariyadhammika , Bhante Khemakumara and my person (at least to assist a little technical if needed).

Group "ត្រៃសរណៈ ផង និង សុំសីល Going for refuge & asking Precepts".



It should be fine in either Khmer, English or German, in regard of explainings and translation of Pali.

[Johann]

Atma renewed a group for such via delta-chat (email), as old seems no more accessible


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