Mahadeva... Shiva... Koṇḍañño... Maha Kassapa... fathers of (the) Sangha

[Johann]

As certain discoveries made those persons, past lifetimes, currently a running topic near, thought to give it a topic for some releasing Papanca on it.

For information for those not so familar: The story of the founding of the Khmer (Khema) lineage is somehow a similar story of that of Siva, the ascetic who once married the Naga-King's daughter Soma, nearly two thousand years ago.

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

1. Sivasuttaṃ

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[102] Evaṃ me sutaṃ – ekaṃ samayaṃ bhagavā sāvatthiyaṃ viharati jetavane anāthapiṇḍikassa ārāme. Atha kho sivo devaputto abhikkantāya rattiyā abhikkantavaṇṇo kevalakappaṃ jetavanaṃ obhāsetvā yena bhagavā tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā bhagavantaṃ abhivādetvā ekamantaṃ aṭṭhāsi. Ekamantaṃ ṭhito kho sivo devaputto bhagavato santike imā gāthāyo abhāsi –

‘‘Sabbhireva samāsetha, sabbhi kubbetha santhavaṃ;

Sataṃ saddhammamaññāya, seyyo hoti na pāpiyo.

‘‘Sabbhireva samāsetha, sabbhi kubbetha santhavaṃ;

Sataṃ saddhammamaññāya, paññā labbhati nāññato.

‘‘Sabbhireva samāsetha, sabbhi kubbetha santhavaṃ;

Sataṃ saddhammamaññāya, sokamajjhe na socati.

‘‘Sabbhireva samāsetha, sabbhi kubbetha santhavaṃ;

Sataṃ saddhammamaññāya, ñātimajjhe virocati.

‘‘Sabbhireva samāsetha, sabbhi kubbetha santhavaṃ;

Sataṃ saddhammamaññāya, sattā gacchanti suggatiṃ.

‘‘Sabbhireva samāsetha, sabbhi kubbetha santhavaṃ;

Sataṃ saddhammamaññāya, sattā tiṭṭhanti sātata’’nti.

Atha kho bhagavā sivaṃ devaputtaṃ gāthāya paccabhāsi –

‘‘Sabbhireva samāsetha, sabbhi kubbetha santhavaṃ;

Sataṃ saddhammamaññāya, sabbadukkhā pamuccatī’’ti.

Quote from: SN 2.21 https://sangham.net/cs-rm/tipitaka/sut/sn/02/sut.sn.02#._sivasutta%E1%B9%83

Here the meanings of Siva in various Indo-Ariyan Religions

And some shares of Upasikas:


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[Johann]

Reflectinga little:

At the time of the Buddha, Brah Shiva gained the path, dwelling in Tāvatiṁsa Deva-Loka. At the end of his Existance, seeing the decay of the Sasana, 500 years after the Buddhas Parinibbana, Shiva asked the King of Devas, Sakka, to return into the Human Realm. Informing of the dangers, the King gave leave.

As a Brahman Son, Named Koṇḍañño under the tribe Kambos who at this time wandered toward South-East Asia, he lead an ascetic life. One Day reminded by a Deva in dream, he headed toward the land of the Naga-tribe, the mountain folk, where a met "again" Naga Soma (Uma) and not only founded the Kingdom of the Khema, but also established them in the Dhamma of the Buddha. Having fallen from here, he dwelled another life-time in the Sugati realms, gained there the fruit of once-returner. Again, at the end of this lifespann, he asked to return, seeing the decay of the Dhamma in his former kingdom, 2500 years after the Buddhas Parinibbana.

Again he would become in Western Land as Son of poor Brahmans, again one day a "Deva" whould have remind him, heading toward the holly life of no more return, after the last Sanghayana.

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កូណាព្រះអង្គ 

ចុះ ឧមា បានទៅទីណាខ្លះ?
ពេលកូណាឆ្ងល់ថា នាគពណ៌មាស ក្មុងនិមិត្តនោះជានរណា?
កូណាក៏បានគិតឃើញថា នុះ គឺស្តេចនាគ វិរូបក្ខៈ...
ឯសោមា គួរតែជា បុត្រី...

[Johann]

All near relatives are around, even the first son, with a seldom large head at birth, so that the father needed to help to press him out. But that all has many dangers of useless identification and conceit. Non of them, with Upannissaya, will again return into human realm or even lower, all heading toward Final liberation in certain realms of the Arupa-world, after the last days of a Bhikkhusangha in this world, appearing in this very generation.

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Large head?

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heading toward the holly life of no more return, after the last Sanghayana.

 

A pair.

 

[Johann]

Holly life isn't lived as pair, Nyom, as it is not lived as group, yet those individuals are nevertheless called to be part of the Sublime Sangha (Sublime community).

Sakkāyadiṭṭhi, (on group holding-views, group increasing-views, low conceit) has been abounded by all of them. Therefore they are called Ariya Sangha, the 4 pairs or 8 individuals. Gather together, live near each other, in accordiance to their attainments, not in relation of their previous relations and flesh birth.

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 កូណាព្រះអង្គ

គ្រាន់តែ មានន័យថា ពីរនាក់ តែប៉ុណ្ណោះ

[Johann]

While dwelling at Tāvatiṃsa heaven he attended Deva Raja Sakka as Vissakamma, the Kings builder, as far as Atma sees, inspired to certain temples later build in the Land of the Khmer.


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Here, people late from more modern Hinduism ideas inspired, lesser Shivanism, know this image as Vishnu (Vishnukarma "All-builder").

Often the images at Wats are a mix of Shiva, Vissakamma and Vishnu, builder and protecter at same time.

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កូណាព្រះអង្គ ព្រះសិវៈ=>កោឌិញ្ញ=>វិស្មកម្មទេវបុត្ត?