Couple of wandererof other sect មក​ដល់​ប្រពន្ធ​និង​ប្តី​វង្វេង នៃអតីតសាសនាផ្សេង

[Johann]

Aramika  

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[Original post:]

In late afternoon a pair of wanderer of other sects, living till now on "animal-art", seeing, medicine... arrived from the south.

Entering then from east, they venerated and asked to stay for unknown while, walking together on seeking dhamma since three years and just down from mount Aural. She is originaly from Speu and he comes from Bodhisat province.

Gotten clear rebukes and advices, introduced a little, they show willingness to let go of old bad livelihood and ways. Gotten the eight Silas, and agreed to try to follow them, seeing the Gems as refuge, they got the keys for the accessland kutis. The man agreed to let go of his actor-dress, gotten some white garment.

Advised to visit Nyom Chanroth to ask for white clothes and to go to the village and ask the Village chief for accepting them, they now hopfully follow advices, and return at night.


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[Johann]

Both followed all told very careful, timely approached at Nyom Chanroths house, where received with joy and Nyom also became some white clothes as gift. Further they approached the village chief and asked that he would receive them. He, as well, agreed and gave blessing for their good way (as all know well that inhonest would not find way and approve here at the Ashram, as very strict).

Timely they returned while Atma thought to go down to place lamps for the night.

Following up, surely exhausted, yet feeling well and peacefull, they listened long time on the customs and ways of practice carefully. Both an-alphabetic, they got also 2 of the given mp3 speaker for their on use, full of Dhamma of the Buddha.

Tomorrow the male will follow on alms round, and before leaving back at 8:00 the wife asked for taking refuge and eigth Sila tomorrow, on solvely own intention, on this New-moon day. Atma told them that he gave only very very less refuge and Sila, since most is not serious, but if they really like it will be given of course.

So maybe tomorrow another to new Upasaka and Upasika in the Buddhas heritage, leaving other sects and ways behind.

Worthy to rejoice with their huge sacrifices, from making a living on the Gems toward making them to their refuge and wishing to follow the Arahats.


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[Johann]

In the morning the Yogis came up and after short talk on Dhamma, Nyom followed on alms round. Back they took of what they need of the given by themselves, gave meal and after meal both asked for Refuge in the Gems and the Brahmacariya-Sila.

In detail traditional and in meanig given both are recognized as Upasaka, Upasika observing the eigth precepts, working on relaying exclusively on alms and given.

Rightly joyful about their deed and undertaking, Atma showed them all kutis, where they also tried to keep the Bodhi trees and plants alive, some already very endangered.

At least then to the nuns hill, where the Bodhi looks very critical. The toilet pipe, as not covered, was damaged by fire, needs to be replaced.

After the round, been given needed like soap, brush, tee... having all required, taken the only meal, they wished to go down to practice and hopefully not to sleep.

Both joyful, modest and maybe having certain Upanissaya, as Upasika told that she had dreamed 2019 about this place and occasion, long not found, but maybe yet, after having visited Thmo Duk as well and gotten known the story about it.

Surely they eager await Upasaka and Upasika who supported so much they might now make use, to feel welcome by the owner of the merits as well.

May all rejoice with their deeds done the last short time and today.


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[Johann]

Both doing well so far, again and again getting teachings, encouragement. As living from Atmas alms bowl and used to also live on less, Atma thought that they might take to less, often people are scared to appear greedy. So Atma turns then into other ways and give away instead of letting others share.

Just expressed the thought, Atma thought to look after them short. Upasaka got already treatment as missing sugar and energy.

Encouraging to go up an move slowly and mindful, he could overcome defilements. Searched for medicine to elevate blood pressure and sugar, focus back on talk on Dhamma, sitting straight and let defilements do what they like, not listen to feeling, after an hour all cure and they walked up the mountain cleaning the paths.

Upasika asked, whether she would ordain if possible, just joyful approved. Asked whether her husband let her leave, Upasaka quick told that there should be no hindrance at all, joyfully. So let's see, maybe there is Upanissaya and Devas assist her, as well as him, to let go of walking on two paths instead of focusing to make Dukkha an end.

[Johann]

Hanging weak and bend leaning on the wall and taking sugar and tea, Atma: "Grow weak, sick, die... thats all Dhammata (usual), but upholding Sati isn't at all dhammata. If Nyom dies right here and no Sati, then Nyom will be lost anywhere, in an animal womb, as Peta... So it's really not an issue to die, but to lose Sati. If Sati isn't lost then, only better or even end of Dukkha will be reached, and time not lost if not dying yet. Low blood pressure, exhausted, wishing to give into feeling and forgot oneself, the older Upasaka luckily has good partner who moved him to go on. So they nevertheless came up evening. Thought they could now seek pleasure in "samadhi", Atma didn't let them sit around, instead engaged them in Dhamma talks, encouragements and the importance to build the base. What ever base isn't right base, will lead to wrong release on wrong Samadhi. Like building a house. If rushing to build up and concentrate on the roof, it will not stand, or at least not long...

With time sharp encouragement gave leave to listen to the Ven. Sariputtas elaboration of the four Noble truth. Sample after sample showed lack of Sati and improper attention. But after some rounds all got better till both minds got lighter again so that even bodily pains and mental dhukka could fade again before they walked back down again, more joyful and mindful as well.

Worthy to rejoice with the merits and effort.


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[Johann]

Swept away by feelings... Nyom didn't want to follow on alms, desired to rest. Upasika wasn't seen.

Back from alms, less, but still to much for one, Atma crossing the Kuti, asked if having a plate. Qick rushing up and all right on the hand, Nyom watched empty to bows to the most part. "Today only two house..." was his comment.

Atma went up.

It's difficult when people are used to live on alms of Robin hoods in robes, not seeing the danger in relaying on two societies at once while not much after duties of each. Maybe, since nobody would be really pleased, unless for common usual trades, they will not stay long, lacking of joy they are used to, wander on like most, seeking in using off merits.

[Johann]

As told, in the evening Nyom, Nyom approached, asking to leave. Again asked "where do you wanna go next, and next... eating off old merits..." and longer encouragement. But Upasaka could not overcome his bond to a Naga following him, turning him way back by bodily exhausting when ever practicing. Usually travel to a certain place where a Brahman would give the Naga what desiring, he would be released, again running form here to there. To less faith to simply let this bond die off, be not carry but stay just mindful.

Next, his wife, developed strong faith and strong desire to ordain, seems to get lost to him when staying here. So two strong pulls that drive him away and as Upasika could not spen here alone next a monk, she followed.

No having let the Naga speak, like many others before, devoted venerated and reasoned to have issues to go here and there.

At least Atma suggested to invite the Naga to stay at the Ashram near fellows, and so he asked his second personality to stay here, and as rain-clouds appeared, maybe took the invitation.

Giving back Kutis, Upasika again told about her desire to ordain, and so Atma brought her together with Upasika Vilā who agreed to guide here to the nuns of Maha Panna Foundation .

Upasaka got the No. of Atmas Precepter, as he as well desires ordain again, yet good to have an older teacher and a monastery able to look after his needs.

Atma thinks both had been not here the last time and in all ways both got more clear about their way further, now maybe working on leaving home in clean way.

May all rejoice with their merits, which had beennot small at all. Much aren't able to stay even 20min. Yet they lived the holy live at least for 3, 4 days, which isn't of small benefits at all.

Oh, Nyom Vila, hearing about out of power, sended tonics for all "fighters".


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Sadhu, Sadhu

(As they came from having spend a night at the Rangers place, they returned this night there, seeking for transport to Phnom Penh from there, possible meeting Nyom and the Nuns later.)