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Posted by: Cheav Villa
« on: Today at 01:04:54 PM »

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Posted by: Johann
« on: Today at 12:41:00 PM »

Still merely exhausted, little cold, Atma decided not to go for alms. Just as Nyom Moritz thought to go down to the village, Nyom Chanroth, thoughtful, brought up meal enough for two. As Anumodana he got an intensive talk on debts and that only "not cramping and not stopping" would be the only way. Cramping, holding on strong, one just turns arround, ever the same again, year for year, life for life. Stopping, althought often thought as easy escape, not free yet, is a garanted lane downwardly.

The rains may fill the forest-path with sand again... what ever brought up will flow down.

The tank isn't water-proof for now, will need another layer plaster and Nyom Moritz decided to look after using the avaliable pipe to lay it out for filling the plastic tank from here, so that not all water runs away and later other might worry again.

At large "rain-pause" and just small steps, one by one, with what is avaliable and can be done by oneself.
Posted by: Administration
« on: Today at 09:54:49 AM »

Aramika   *

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Posted by: Johann
« on: May 28, 2020, 11:00:26 PM »

Just as info and overview: The old list, updated with till now given (till foot or at the cave) and used. Square breaks [...] additional/sepperate listing.

[Note! This is just a "such could be used-list" and actually all can made/organized alternatively aside of cement.]

Here (a "quick" and safe, secure) Material calculation "expanding Shrine" incl. beton floor old part, Nyom Chanroth asked for to forward to Nyom Vithou , who asked him. )

5,6 m3 concrete (incl material for 450 cement bricks):
  • [Cement bricks (local made) 450] | 0 | 50 (cast off from last year)]
  • Cement 2to | 0.5 to | 0.4 to
  • Sand 8 m3  | 1.5 m3 | 2 m3 (partly collected on forest paths)

  • [Red bricks] 0 pieces | ~120 | ~60 (+~100 old/cast off)

  • Iron 5mm 500m1| ~150 m | ~ 60 m
  • Iron 8mm 360 m1 | 0 m (some in the Village) | 0 m
  • Iron 10mm 120m m1 | 0 m (some in the Village) | 0 m
    (all maybe 300kg, =0.3 to)

  • ribble roof sheets (as "lost" formwork of roof) = 25 m2 | 0 | 3 m (from old left over material)

  • door (200x80) = 2 pieces | 1 | 1
  • window (150x80) = 3 pieces 0 | 0
  • window (80x100) = 2 pieces | 0 | 2 (made from cast off wood)
    (doors and windows can be made by oneself with old cast of wood, if avaliable)
    (Iron could be reduced to all in 8mm instead of the some 10mm)

  • formwork wood (cheap, 1cm): 5 m2 (= 5 boards 5x0.2m) | 0.5 m2 | 1.5 m2 (from cast off material

  • (floor plattes/tales, gray or dirty white or brick red (no design, mono color) = 18 (new area) = 25m2 (old) = about 45 m2  | 0 | 0

  • scaffold wood (wood from death yound trees, 3-4cm, death bamboo) from the woods around): 25 pieces about 3m  | 0 | 0

  • Wall painting color white (only inside): 30m2 | 0 | 0

  • PVC-Pipe (rain water): 80mm:  5m; | 0 | 0
  • PVC-pipe 50mm: 10m | 0 | 0
  • [PCV-pipe 30mm: | 0 | 3 m (cast off)]

    others:
  • - nails (4cm, 8cm) | 0 | using cast off
  • - wire to bind iron | 0 | using cast off
  • - what ever old, cast off wood board, scantling | (some cast off from North monastery | all in use
  • - padlock [lock 2] | 1 | 1

    [Small stuff:]
  • Outlet ventil [tanks] 2 | 0 | 1 (old one)
  • Simple tools (most very old, own made, cast off, or already broken)


This material should be enough for the whole expandig part incl. restore of old part complete this useable.

(painting of samvega art and the four noble truth (gray, black) by dhammic artist. Color (black), and brushs.

Old wall and floor will be cut in squares and reused).


Progress (%):

Works:
  • - water protection in on north side outside 0%
  • - covering of no-stone parts in the old area (water, animal and falling down of dirt and stones - protection) 98%
  • - remove of old wall by steps when a roof section is finisched 8%
  • - even floor in old part (refilling ground of new part) 10%
  • - construction works for new roof part 0%
  • - small walls and roof at the east entrance and nord 75 %

  • - [main stairway 95%]
  • - [north stairway and path 50%]
  • - [watertank 80%]

    Bildingparts:
    restor old part of shrine, higher room high and no more walking bend over, to gain no head hit, necessary  (~25 m2)
    new tract (~ 20 m2)
    entrance restored and closed
    stairways (east entrance, south-west secondary door)
    water collection of about 60 m2 rain surface (30 m3 water with one strong rain)
[Material that was declated (in Atmas presents) to be given, either not delivered, later maybe not given , lost or borrowed:
~ 0.5to cement (from 2to donated last year - group Akyum for upper Kuti and Uposatha hall)
1to cement + 1 load sand (group Chea Mongl, for general use)
2, 3 bags cement (visitor last weeks, for cave expanding)]

* Johann : Gun shoots, 300m away, at the stream, possible wild hunting on south plantage area... (actually 'daily' normality around in Aural-district here, but usually more far and remote).
Posted by: Johann
« on: May 28, 2020, 10:02:02 PM »

Good if avaliable: Just much sand (up the hill as far as possible) (8m3 - 1,5m3 used = ~ 6,5m3 rest), and cement soon (2 bags left of ten, total 50 = 42 left), of course per day only 1/2 to 1 bag is used. Sure some wood for model (thought of no bricks at all).

No idea why 1000 bricks (even possible red) since in total, like thought at the beginning, 450 selfmade concrete bricks had been thought of.

Red bricks are generally useless stuff, need lot of work, worse quality and useless for construction building parts, and infect the health, life, forest, enviroment of many badly (70% forest is gone for that useless material!, and goes)! Appart of that, sure 1000+ of the old wall can be re-used in combination with constructive concrete-work.

Generally: some sand is fine, some cement the next days is fine. The rest: all can be used, having such, doing so, having such, doing differently.

So again: Sila first and use of own effort.

Nyom Chanroth is currently very busy, expanding and also focus, understandable, in building his own house further, has current possible less place to think much on higher and easy, as often before, fall further into debt, like last year and the upper Kuties history.

So really good not to put to much into. Till now, and a huge amout has been done, plane material of maybe 60-100$ (without door and glas stones) was used. 200 red bricks, construction iron, outher stuff, still lies on the street.

Please don't forget that the whole village builded/builds large houses currently and sure not many of them without of much credits, struggles, ceating back and for... debts, debts debts and no work, income, aside of some last trees.

(There are also 6+ old bags of concret, partly brocken, dying off, at Nyoms mothers house). The main work had been done with old material, left behind after Kuti-building stop last year.
Posted by: Cheav Villa
« on: May 28, 2020, 09:30:09 PM »

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Posted by: Moritz
« on: May 28, 2020, 09:22:22 PM »

Upasika Cheav Villa wrote in Telegram:

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Villa, [28.05.20 14:46]
Hello

Villa, [28.05.20 14:54]
Any thing like brick, concret,..

Villa, [28.05.20 14:55]
Do you know the exact amount need to use now?

Villa, [28.05.20 14:59]
As Pou Chanroth reported about 1000bricks needed to buy now and Vithou asked me to confirm from you.

Villa, [28.05.20 15:15]
🙏

Villa, [28.05.20 15:58]
And why Bhante break the concret inside and recycle used?

Not sure where to better put this. But maybe here is a good start.

As I don't know about the exact plans for materials and generally don't understand much about building, and what is possible to do with leftovers, maybe Bhante Johann can provide some answers?

* Moritz and why not just simply directly ask here? :)

I will try to answer as far as I understand.

As to the question why using broken concrete as recycling material: because that is available, and Bhante seems to always have ideas how to use what is there. Broken concrete can be used well to mix into fresh concrete in some cases, apparently (like roof of the water tank). At the moment, all delivered sand is (more or less) used up. But as Bhante said, now after rain, new sand from the path will be washed down to collect. I don't know how much in total would be needed for this and that. I also don't know how many red bricks for the new cave wall. A small load is still left at the foot.

(The floor in the cave is being broken as planned, to be put a bit lower in the middle, to make it all on one level up until the Buddha statue which will remain at its higher place.)

I hope Bhante can provide some clearer answers when seeing this message, or I will ask him next morning.

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Posted by: Johann
« on: May 28, 2020, 04:44:31 PM »

And as Nyom Moritz came up, wishing to give water, as the required detail on the tank have been fixed, huge warm rain felt down, filling all tanks, althought not letting them filled full, 1/3 in minutes.

And yes, there are other reasons why Atma hurries to finsh the needed buildings with all what is given and avaliable, can be made by tiny power of bodily strength.

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The quick made inlet building was of course swept away quickly. First large shower and wash, at the same time, after a good while dust and dirt.

Posted by: Cheav Villa
« on: May 28, 2020, 01:51:16 PM »

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Posted by: Johann
« on: May 28, 2020, 12:24:31 PM »

...and act-idently, dark cloud have started to gather in the north (heavy rains usually enter the vally from noth or west), roaming constandly, while some detail works are done... some hours with strong tensions left...

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Nyom Moritz , certain delight, took the situation of exhausted to walk down into the village, wishing to organics tonics, drinks.
Posted by: Cheav Villa
« on: May 28, 2020, 08:26:58 AM »

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Posted by: Johann
« on: May 28, 2020, 12:08:27 AM »

Sure, also almsfood could be dangerous here, since people use to catch and eat all. Two days ago there was a funeral-fest in the night... a group caught certain fishes and eat them, in the south, the direction Atma avoids merely to go for alms, all of them poisened by the fishes, two man, dog and many chicken died, others could be treaded healthy again.
Posted by: Johann
« on: May 27, 2020, 11:12:34 PM »

Nyoms standardized new multitask/use Khemadasa Laptop bag...

Lowest level: dirt clothes, then towel wrapt others, layers of crockery and the small or large devices. Alternative water, dirt, cement... can be carried, even to be used for preparing things and to sit if tired. It will need a little till modern world will recognize the huge advantages and follow the set trend supporting liberation and freedom.

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Tomorrow Nyom has been issued by a "forced" physical work free-day, let's see is able. Of course he objected certain to work for/on the virtual Vihara instead.

The Vampire pair just fly in for a "tachtelmächtel" not happy that Atma isn't under the net for not, trying to cast him off, flying provocative around the head, so then, good for today, and fine that inhabitant are not blocked by having now a doorframe around the entrance.
Posted by: Johann
« on: May 27, 2020, 09:04:40 PM »

Carrying, mixing, plastering. At 16:00 the plaster was finished. "Should we finalize the slab, on the risk of working further in the dark?" No much thinking... carrying the rest of sand and more cement up, while "at the edge of static"-model was made, iron cut and bend and right with the cicada (sun down) the bringing in of concrete started...

Actualky it has becomes a pleasing near but isolated sitting, meditation platform.

Sorting all well, washing all, Nyom Moritz now up wishing to prepear some tonic, and fetch the clothes to walk then down in the dark forest to take a shower, carrying up, like often, some 6l for Atma to take a light shower as well.

The sand now out of stock, alternatively, the search and collect along the forestpath as well as using recycling material from removing the concrete in the cave, might make it possible to continue.

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Like most a wonderful silent and cool evening at this little attrium in frong of the cave.
Posted by: Cheav Villa
« on: May 26, 2020, 08:48:25 PM »

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