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Title: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on August 18, 2019, 10:13:40 PM

Aramika   *

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[Original post:]


 _/\_  _/\_  _/\_

Okasa Bhante

Venerable members of the Sangha,
Venerable fellows,

Buddhaparisata,

Not sure if accidently but the last days it's hard to open pages and next to server-errors (out of capacity) pages are not reachable for sometime two hours, at least for my person, not sure how it works for others.

How ever, maybe good to take it as case for some adjustments.

Since longer thinking that it's actually not so proper to feed trade and at least the huge tradewar on those bond to certain commercial services with the alms giving in faith, possible useless wasted by feeding search-engines and content selling pages, my person thinks it's good to raise again the question whether it wouldn't be proper to make all lesser appearing like a common social service place like a park or street marked.

The place and content, not at least, being dedicated toward the Sublime Sangha of the eight directions and it's faithfull following and of course also ALL who might be interested, possible earns more care to be kept out of things currently also more traceable arise which seemingly many are not so aware, incl. many Venerables as well (sadly to much using this "feedoms"...).

Since Dhamma and a monastery, places of practice, are not at all thought as advertising ways and to gain "costumers", this sites are not thought as means to present "means of services or products", it might be possible good to turn them more away from the highways, which does of course not change the objectives (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php/topic,8.0.html) but possible restrict only harmful and improper use. So the long and strict observing of virtues of not excluding (even banner or deny access... sadly also very common) will be not really touched if making access "only" possible by using a given (also given to take) account for the most content. Some might feel even more comfortable with it.

For those after gains: may this be even for their objected wishes a little pit more of benefit. May they gain as much as possible for the supply of their happiness.

Such things like the possibility to use a guest account... may be good to keep, since nothing would be hide away, like before, of course.

Before possible starting to try to configue the access possibilities for unregistered and also search for certain third part connections and make all more "privat", better more conscious in regard of use, my person would like to ask first of all the generous supporter, maintainer and caretaker, foremost of the places, Upasika Sophorn , Upasaka Moritz , Upasika Cheav Villa  whether such lesser public and unconscious access possibility would be well and fine for you? It should be foremost not and lesser burdensome for you.

Not secondary at all, my person would like to ask the Venerables as well and it may be understood as being received gratefully to get what ever thoughts in regard of this matter for the Venerables most comfortable use without any need of remorse. May person ask a second... a third time for advices in this issue: making most content only accessable in more conscious ways by using given (invited given also to take) account.

Of course what ever ideas and thoughts of all others comming, near and far, across here are welcome.

May my person not having burdened to much with raising this issue and may the effects of it cause much gain of more ease for most possible many.
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas
Post by: Johann on August 20, 2019, 06:13:58 AM

Aramika   *

Ein oder mehrer Beiträge wurden hier im Thema abgeschnitten und damit in neues Thema "feedback traffic, accessibility  (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php/topic,9400.msg19465.html#msg19465)" eröffnet, dem angehäng.
One or more posts have been cut out of this topic here. A new topic, based on it, has been created as "ffeedback traffic, accessibility  (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php/topic,9400.msg19465.html#msg19465)" or attached there.
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Moritz on August 21, 2019, 02:29:06 PM
Vandami Bhante _/\_

From my view it would be okay to restrict access for guests so that they would need to register.

I just tried out disabling in the admin settings  "Features and Options -> Allow guests to browse the forum".

The result looks like in the attached screenshot.

One could still display some information in the TinyPortal blocks. For example the "Welcome" block, the "Recent topics" and list of "New uploads" are still visible. But when clicking on a link to see the forum posts or to download a file, one has to log in.

Maybe it would be good to just de-activate this setting.

One could leave a guest account with password for login to be seen publically on the welcome page in human readable form, so that a human could understand and use it if necessary, while possibly encouraging to register and use an own account.

_/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on August 21, 2019, 02:39:25 PM
There is surely a huge work behind, knowing the manifold permission structure and it might be to expect same for ati as well.

Since huge work, good to be clear about effects, benefits, backwards.
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Moritz on August 21, 2019, 02:53:52 PM
There is surely a huge work behind, knowing the manifold permission structure and it might be to expect same for ati as well.

Since huge work, good to be clear about effects, benefits, backwards.

At the moment, to solve the problem of bots using up all traffic in the package, I think it would be enough to simply disable the "Allow guests to browse the forum" setting and then see for one month how it affects traffic on sangham.net.
Forum posts and downloads would then not be accessible if not logged in, so not much traffic from unregistered bots could happen anymore. Visitors would just see the portal page, but any links leading into the forum would need log-in.

Other sites (accesstoinsight.eu mostly) don't seem affected much from "bot traffic". At least there has not been such a huge increase, in comparison to sangham.net, over recent months. I think the bots just have more "interesting stuff" (including probably the TinyPortal file downloads) to find in the forum.

So no real work at all for this first "emergency measure".

Probably good to adjust the welcome text with some explanation, maybe showing log-in information for the Visitor account there.

_/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on August 21, 2019, 03:00:16 PM
If Nyom wishes to do so, it does not seem to be harmfull for anyone and protective of what has been given in faith. The many adjustments, blocks, translations... can be made on and on.

Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Moritz on August 21, 2019, 03:10:33 PM
I disabled the "allow guests to browse the forum" option now.

At the moment I don't find where to edit the "Welcome" block and also do not yet have a good idea what to write there.

Not sure yet if anything else would need adjusting, but think that would be all for the most necessary.

_/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on August 21, 2019, 03:27:07 PM
Atma made the "Virtual Dhamma-Vinaya Vihara - sangham.net"-block visible on index-page (previous only pprtal page). Need to play alittle around with positions to look fine and propably merge it with the visitor-block, not in top panel position.
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on August 21, 2019, 03:33:54 PM
Un-done. Possible Nyom did similar with better "Dear Visitor" block. Semms fine for the first.
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Moritz on August 21, 2019, 03:43:40 PM
I did not do anything till now. But just found again where the TP blocks are to be edited.
No good idea what to write now and at the moment have some other things to do. But I could look at it later and try to find a good text.
There are some links in these blocks which are now not accessible anymore for guests.

_/\_
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on August 21, 2019, 04:01:30 PM
Oh, there is a lot to do, on many places.

Sketch (German) of new text

Quote from: Lieber Besucher-Block
Ehrwürdiges Mitglied der Sangha,
Ehrenwerter Gefährte,

Werter Laienanhänger, Laienanhängerin (Upasaka, Upasika)

Geachtet und geschätzte Buddhaparisata (Mitglieder der Versammlung um den Buddha), liebe Interesierte und Besucher,

gerne, jederzeit und freudig gegeben mögen Sie sich ein Zugangkonto anlegen, oder eine email senden um eines anlegen zu lassen. Um schnellen Zugang zu erlagen, können Besucher auch das Besucherkonto (Nutzername: Besucher, PW: B tTr84$ , ohne Leerzeichen, beide t klein geschrieben) verwenden.

Aufgrund der starken Aufruffrequenz der Seite, und so nicht unnötig Gaben an die Sangha verschwendet werden, ist nun der Zugang mittels Konto erforderlich.

Viel Freude und Nutzen für Höchstes im Kennenlernen des etwas abgelegenen Dhamma-Dschungels. Wenn was immer Schwierigkeiten und Hindernisse auftreten mögen, bitte nicht zögern auch etwa eine Email zu schreiben.

Thought? Good, if possible that language is chosen by browser language) to take the occasion to sperate the blocks according language (needs then to be done for all blocks).

Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on August 22, 2019, 12:03:53 PM
My person has now made the forum for visitor accessable again, having taken off many other boards for visitor access as well as all downloads, since all other ways would require a lot of work on many places.

Maybe Nyom Moritz can take an eye on over-use of resources and whether it is enough restriction for improper use of resources.
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on August 22, 2019, 01:33:28 PM
The thought just came to mind, of course could not be managed by my person: It might be possible to enable/disable browsing the forum by check of traffic of visitors. Say for example if there are more then 200 visitors => disable, and check within certain time to enable.

The info-text, when disabled, would be found in any of the lang-phps where if could be rendered.

"Traffic jam prevention: Currently there was to much unconscious traffic. Please login to access the monastery and feel invited to take an account (if not having yet) to have a pleasing dwelling."
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Moritz on August 22, 2019, 03:04:14 PM
_/\_ _/\_ _/\_

My person has now made the forum for visitor accessable again, having taken off many other boards for visitor access as well as all downloads, since all other ways would require a lot of work on many places.

Maybe Nyom Moritz can take an eye on over-use of resources and whether it is enough restriction for improper use of resources.

Sadhu. Not much time at the moment. Probably good already that downloads are turned off for visitors now. Maybe the rest is not so much traffic. I will try to keep an eye on resource use.


The thought just came to mind, of course could not be managed by my person: It might be possible to enable/disable browsing the forum by check of traffic of visitors. Say for example if there are more then 200 visitors => disable, and check within certain time to enable.

The info-text, when disabled, would be found in any of the lang-phps where if could be rendered.

"Traffic jam prevention: Currently there was to much unconscious traffic. Please login to access the monastery and feel invited to take an account (if not having yet) to have a pleasing dwelling."


That should be possible somehow. Just had to deal with something similar, using the leaky bucket (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaky_bucket) algorithm. Maybe possible to use the same concept here. Maybe I have time on Sunday to look at it.

_/\_ _/\_ _/\_

Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on August 22, 2019, 04:57:11 PM
Sadhu

One of my persons teacher, water-management, he died relatively young, always said, that the field of calculations in the area of water-managements is very in-explored in mathematics. The simple methods probably work well enough and who cares much about how much water flows over an overflow lasher once passing one's area... 

Water-management, retention basins... there are simply methods, models, matching the cases.
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Moritz on August 23, 2019, 04:03:28 AM
Maybe I have time on Sunday to look at it.
Oh, probably not. I have to drive taxi on Sunday. And coming week will probably also be quite full.
But it is something I would enjoy doing as soon as I find enough time.
 ^-^
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on August 23, 2019, 06:34:43 AM
No problem here sofar at all, Nyom Moritz
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on October 19, 2019, 02:44:35 PM
To mention: my person had reopened the downloads some days again.

Again there is a increase of visitors at the same time by 20 times for now guessing it will climb up to resource critical measures again.

Maybe keeping an eye on it this days. Not having really ways of looking on the limits and origins, my person might turn them off again following the impression.   
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on October 27, 2019, 09:11:28 PM
The new visitor invasion (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php/topic,9400.msg20168.html#msg20168) doesn't decrease but increases again (up tp 1000 nearly permanent visitors). Thought on last prevention-act, my person things that it is maybe of use to turn off access for visitors two days: the forum will be closed for unregistered visitors from 1.11 and 2.11

May it not limit anybody on possibilities for merits, paths and fruits.
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on November 01, 2019, 05:27:11 AM
Viewing the board for those not logged in is now disabled.

Let's see whether this will dis-attract the hungry ghost, robots.
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on November 01, 2019, 06:08:19 AM
My person also wrote an email to huawei-cloud to inform and let them act as they wish, being informed

Quote from: via email
Valued Team of Huawei-cloud,

May you first of all pardon my persons uninvited approach.

Since about 2 weeks the online monastery sangham.net is extremely visited by robots (?) having ip's telling that coming from huawei-cloud Hong kong.

It's of course welcome if wishing to access and to get the teachings of the Buddha and the community of monks known. How ever, this being a "beggar" tradition, our resources, given voluntary in faith, are very limited and we had to turn off the most accessibilities for visitors again to prevent the donor from additional costs deriving from over-use of traffic (huawai-robots currently eat 80-90% of the resouces, 100GB a month off and maybe without much useful use of it). The avaliable and given rescourses we are able to use aren't very large at all in your measures.

Maybe you desire to like to find a solution, as you might not have been aware of certain effects, to do not appear in such ways. Of course this is not a demand, order or force and actions and results of them stay yours of cource as well as your free choice leading to such.

Aside of all this informing, may your good undertakings fruits always appear reviled and visible quick so that you find firm faith in cause and effects of good deeds, may you in this way always be save and well protected, shine through your admirable deeds and enjoy all honor, longlife, happiness and strength gained from it.

metta & mudita
Samana Johann
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on November 01, 2019, 10:51:56 AM
Btw, Nyom Moritz , the text appearing for guest is found in the language files "Login.english-utf8.php" and so on, for each language. While text it self could be changed by my person, he is not sure how to add (escape signs) for adding a html or a link (possible no problem).

Code: [Select]
$txt['only_members_can_access'] = 'Only registered members are allowed to access this section.';

$txt['login_below'] = 'Please login below or';

$txt['register_an_account'] = 'register an account';

$txt['login_with_forum'] = 'with %1$s.';

My person tries to upload the new file containing now this text (let see if it works)

Code: [Select]
$txt['only_members_can_access'] = '<b>Welcome</b> Venerable Member of the Sangha, fellows, valued Upasaka, Upasika, dear visitor,<br /><b>A Robot & Hungry Ghost prevention</b>: Currently only registered members are allowed to access this area to prevent from unconsciously consume of in faith given means.';

$txt['login_below'] = 'Please login below. If no account yet, your are invited and given to';

$txt['register_an_account'] = '<b>register an account</b>';

$txt['login_with_forum'] = 'for the online-monastery %1$s. <br /><b>Handicapped?</b> You may use the Visitor-account as well. Use the username <b>Visitor</b> and the pass-word <b>P</b>=<b>ro</b>+<b>b</b>=<b>er</b>-<b>1</b>=<b>27</b> (type only bold signs, letters and numbers). If having any problem, please send the issue to <i>forumadmin@sangham.net</i>.';

Seems to work and looks like this now.

Replaced also 'German', 'German informal' and 'Cambodian' (last only with english text).
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Visitor on November 01, 2019, 11:29:47 AM
Test with Visitor account seems to work

(Johann)
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Cheav Villa on November 01, 2019, 01:04:42 PM
 :) _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on November 01, 2019, 04:17:29 PM
The undertaking seems not to work, so far. The cloud robots reach a number up to 1000 at same time.

Just wondering if possible that the provider uses this cloud now for his hosts he takes care of. At least such would possible have some pleasing side effects as well.

Added:

Nyom Moritz , Nyom Sophorn

No idea for now. Banner isn't a valid solution (having seen that there are also mods dedecting such robots) and against precepts. Maybe it's possible to reach out to those in charge, either the cloud-company or the host provider who might may use of it.
The amount of visits will surely eat of the month avaliable traffic if looking at the last (which was only attracted by the haft time and half amount of visitors).

To prevent that Nyom, Nyom, might be charged with additional cost, is the reason for another "disturbing" on this matter.
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Moritz on November 02, 2019, 10:09:11 PM
Vandami Bhante _/\_

Where did Bhante look to see Huawei Cloud as origin of the many visitors? Is it through the Who is logged in (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php?action=who) page? At the moment, besides some guests, there is one "Google" listed. Is it the same place, where there would be "Huawei Cloud" in the list?

At this moment there are only 14 guests. So maybe it did help to restrict the forum access, but took some time.

Fifteen minutes later: Okay, now there are 160 guests.
Five more minutes later: now 210

Most from IP range 159.138.*, which seems to belong to Huawei Cloud, as confirmed here as well (https://webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/125100/block-ip-range-using-htaccess).

No idea what this "Huawei Cloud service" really all is. But as far as I know Huawei is a great producer of many "internet of things" devices ("intelligent" toasters or whatever kind of silly ideas; household items with a small computer built in, which have an internet connection that they need for some of their functions).
There are many cases where such devices are overtaken by hackers, which can sometimes amount to a huge "army" of toasters and coffee machines doing stuff on the internet, unknown to their owners.

No idea at the moment how to stop the flood without IP-blocking.

_/\_
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on November 05, 2019, 10:36:55 AM
The "wave" looks like as having stopped and so my petson opened up the forum for guests like before.

Did Nyom Moritz conducted anything, that may have caused the wave to stop, beside of Atmas close up?
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on November 05, 2019, 05:42:08 PM
Oh back... 950. So better closing up again.  :)
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Moritz on November 05, 2019, 10:47:55 PM
Did Nyom Moritz conducted anything, that may have caused the wave to stop, beside of Atmas close up?

No Bhante, I did not. _/\_
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Moritz on November 06, 2019, 05:41:37 PM
At the moment I am trying to understand the robots' behaviour, thinking about what can then be done about it.

Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on November 06, 2019, 05:47:28 PM
My person guesses that cloud-robots try to uphold a most actual mirror in cases the original server isn't reachable, or simply to increase traffic...

May Nyom Moritz not fall into to much worry with it.
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Moritz on November 06, 2019, 06:10:47 PM
My person guesses that cloud-robots try to uphold a most actual mirror
My person guesses that cloud-robots try to uphold a most actual mirror

Yes, that is also what I would guess.

Just archiving information. For whatever purpose.

There are of course the "benign" and generally accepted robots of web search engines like Google and Bing. But they would usually not come in such large numbers, eating so much traffic. People would complain and give such search engines a bad reputation.

There is also some kind of protocol which such "official" robots would follow, telling them where they are allowed to look and where not (robots.txt (https://moz.com/learn/seo/robotstxt), currently nothing like that configured for sangham.net, and something I had never really learnt about, so am reading about it now). Not sure if these kinds of robots here would do that. But probably useful to know about anyway.

For now, I have been logging requests for about 10 minutes, to see if I can find any patterns useful for guessing what might be a bot and who not.

May Nyom Moritz not fall into to much worry with it.
Not much worry here. But having a free day today, I have some time to investigate. It surely seems like a problem that one should know how to deal with on the long run.

_/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on November 06, 2019, 06:26:10 PM
Sadhu (robots of offical search engines are given access to login in an admin setting, just for info, but guessing that this kind doesn't fall into that category).
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Moritz on November 08, 2019, 07:10:49 AM
Some common characteristics of apparent blind data-collecting robots:

IP address starting with 159.138
HTTP headers:
HTTP_REFERER:  (none)
HTTP_ORIGIN:  (none)
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: "zh-CN,zh;q=0.9"
HTTP_USER_AGENT: many different possibilities (probably all "faked"), but apparently always containing "AppleWebKit"

not using cookies


It seems to me that blocking by IP would be actually most reasonable. Maybe for some days or weeks at least, hoping that the robots would then not return for a while.
Searching around on the internet, others have reported the same problem since a few months about similar IP ranges.

It seems to me that requiring log-in for the whole forum does not have much lasting effect. They could probably not read and understand that login is required, and that every URL they try simply shows this same message and information.
As long as there is anything to see, and even small changes maybe (like content of the recent topics and shoutbox), it is probably "interesting" enough to try and collect data.

The bots are visiting many URLs which could not be accessed through any links for non-logged in people at the moment. So they rely on some memory of pages they visited before, or links they collected before.
There are thousands of possible URLs in the forum. So they could keep themselves busy with that for a very long time.

I think maybe only a "404 - not found" or "405 - gone" answer, if repeated long enough to them, could make them "forget" and let go of this site for maybe a longer while.
It looks like they are keeping a "slow" pace, in order to be not completely disruptive. Probably they would want to check every URL at least a few times over some longer period, until they would accept that it is useless to come back to.

So my approach would be now to just collect IP addresses (so far, all starting with 159.138) for a while and check if they all match the pattern of "probable bot". And then block all those IPs that seem to be confirmed as bots, for at least a week or two. Maybe better even a month.

Of course not totally sure how far exactly the IP range of bots goes. And such IP ranges could be re-assigned one day. But for now, it seems, they all come from some IP range currently (and probably for a longer time) belonging to "Huawei Cloud Services", i.e. some cluster of servers that anyone could rent, not belonging to any normal "consumer" internet connection of some smart phone, or laptop or desktop computer etc.

_/\_
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on November 08, 2019, 09:48:02 AM
Tempory banner which wouldn't deprive from existence or close up doors for birth might be possible with proper mind attitude. Mind: metta based on right view, Sila without any intention to take existance or harm and hurt.

Maybe not to long.

There is an mod by the young programmer of smf which makes such when a ceratin IP makes to much touches is certain time. Similar could be maybe made but with a range and a remove of banner, say 1 or 2 days again.

Currently Asian developers might try to learn what is possible of what western made over longer time more carefully. As shown, the first try was from China using manpower, now from open kept Hong kong. They now try and surely success in much shorter time, to build up an empire like God Google.

Anyway, one should be clear:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

009.04. Bhikkhus, the highwaymen endowed with eight things does not do it long, ends up quickly. What eight?

Attacks those who should not be attacked, takes away without leaving anything, kills women, defiles maidens, plunders the gone forth, plunders the royal treasury, steals in the vicinity and does not have a saving Bhikkhus, the highwaymen endowed with these eight things does not do it long, ends up quickly.

Bhikkhus, the highwaymen endowed with eight things does it long, does not end up quickly. What eight?

Does not attack those who should not be attacked, does not take away without leaving anything, does not kill women, does not defile maidens, does not plunder the gone forth, does not plunder the royal treasury, does not steal in the vicinity and has a saving Bhikkhus, the highwaymen endowed with these eight things does it long, does not end up quickly.
Quote from: translation of AN 8.84 by Sister Uppalavanna

Foolish thieves, skilled thieves, unskilled, Robin Hoods, a mother fighting for the family surviving... they are all still thieves.

Nobody understands how importand a Dhamma search engine, with given access to search, would be and prefer to use the means of thieves...

Banner, kill, depriving... for whom ever, is still akusala.

May Nyom act what is regarded as puñña kiriya vatthu and not a little outside even if feeling it might be rightouse. So in that mood, mudita
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Moritz on November 09, 2019, 04:09:49 AM
No bots (of the kind which came in large amounts) so far today, I think. (No blocking measures taken yet.)

_/\_
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on November 09, 2019, 07:03:36 AM
So closing might have effects. Atma opens up another time to have a look on it.
Title: Re: Advice request in regard of reducing "unconscious/improper" traffic within the Sangas Vatta
Post by: Johann on November 13, 2019, 12:17:11 PM
Mudita with Nyoms trust into metta.

May he enjoy the fruits of giving freedom of fear by a mind of goodwill toward all being, and outer actions based on this aspect of right view.