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2020 Jun 05 08:25:42
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2020 Jun 05 07:22:29
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2020 Jun 01 10:53:45
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2020 May 31 18:59:38
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2020 May 30 06:51:35
Johann: Those taking on the Uposatha today: may many follow your encouragement when leading after near and those depending on you.

2020 May 29 20:39:55
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2020 May 29 19:56:20
Johann: What ever sacrificed toward the Sublime Gems, toward liberation, such is condition for no more flowing back into the world. Mudita

2020 May 29 08:40:16
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2020 May 29 08:34:50
Johann: [continue] ...kāma-guṇa (sensual giving) , death, alive, increasing the cemeteries in the world. This is why just giving toward the virtuous, those with metta, bears fruits beyond the common, as it's not for further kāma-guṇa that they would use it for, but as base for lessons, for purificatio

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2020 May 29 08:27:03
Johann: If one would know or remembering the suffering behind pleasing form, sound, smell, taste, touch, one certain would no more desire after it. But because lof lack of remembering and proper attention, beings go after it, take birth, age, get sick, seperated, die, again and again, keeping the flame of k

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2020 May 29 08:15:19
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2020 May 29 07:42:53
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2020 May 23 06:43:43
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Johann: May all still continue to spend a blessed New moon Uposatha till break on of a new day (of course good to continue without break). Mudita

2020 May 21 20:16:55
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2020 May 21 19:30:50
Johann: Nothing more a blessing as to do not cling to a specific Nikaya, since one can easy take the opportunity of doing theUposatha often two days a new. May all always make the best of given possibilities.

2020 May 20 21:19:41
Johann: Sadhu

2020 May 20 20:44:31
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2020 May 20 20:43:13
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2020 May 18 14:55:14
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2020 May 18 12:17:04
Khemakumara: Upāsikā

2020 May 17 21:21:28
Johann: Nyom Sophorn

2020 May 17 07:36:11
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 May 17 07:14:16
Khemakumara: Upāsikā

2020 May 17 06:01:03
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2020 May 16 20:42:01
Johann: Bhante

2020 May 15 20:13:51
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 15 19:17:25
Johann: A blessed Siladay ending for those who keep(ed) it today.

2020 May 14 09:09:08
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 14 06:17:12
Johann: A bl3ssed Sila-day those observing it today.

2020 May 12 21:00:24
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 12 19:10:56
Johann: May no one ever, even a moment, forget: "Sole dominion over the earth, going to heaven, lordship over all worlds:    the fruit of stream-entry    excels them."

2020 May 10 15:27:11
Depabhasadhamma: Thank you Johann

2020 May 10 15:26:00
Johann: "stand", taking, holding a stand makes it possible more understandable and fits better to it.

2020 May 10 15:24:35
Johann: Welcome Depabasadhamma, Atma will open a topic on it.

2020 May 10 15:04:51
Depabhasadhamma: I am in need of assistance. I am writing a paper about the Three Marks of Existence. I understand the three marks, however, I am befuddled by the meaning and use of the word "existence." Is this English word the translation of the Pali word thiti? Does the word "existence" imply life, living, consci

2020 May 09 21:15:38
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_ :)

2020 May 09 20:48:57
Johann: Apsara in Pali: accharā, translation actually "A Whoo!"

2020 May 09 20:45:38
Johann: "...“Then take joy, Nanda. Take joy! I am your guarantor for getting 500 dove-footed nymphs.”..."

2020 May 09 20:45:17
Johann: "“What do you think, Nanda? Which is lovelier, better looking, more charming: the Sakyan girl, the envy of the countryside, or these 500 dove-footed nymphs?”..."

2020 May 09 20:43:26
Johann: There was a Bhikkhu "who got an email from an ex-co-dweller" and thought he will return to lower life, Nyom: Nanda Sutta

2020 May 09 20:35:41
Johann: It's actually just about the clothes, since his livemode is already a great Samaneras one.

2020 May 09 20:33:48
Cheav Villa: Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_ I kana never heard about the Bhuddha promised..  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 09 20:33:17
Johann: Till end of Vassa maybe?

2020 May 09 20:25:18
Cheav Villa: Master Moritz _/\_ Should try an ordination which in 7days.  _/\_ :)

2020 May 09 20:16:21
Johann: Apsara (dove feet Devatas).

2020 May 09 20:13:19
Johann: Temporary ordination is pretty normal, 3 days, a month, a Vassa... and not to forget that the Buddha promised union with the Asparas, which are beyond being compareable to others...

2020 May 09 19:25:54
Moritz: No no, I really prefer to be a householder, even though not having a house at the moment. I am not much inclined towards nekkhamma...  ^-^
... even though already doing some nekkhamma now, but not hoping to do so for the long term....

2020 May 09 19:24:05
Moritz: Bang Villa _/\_

2020 May 09 19:08:20
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 09 19:00:58
Johann: When not working he is already used to where his beige light clean cloth, morning, noon, evening and already good organized.

2020 May 09 18:52:05
Cheav Villa: Kana Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ :)

2020 May 09 18:39:04
Johann: Nyom has his working dress and his light formal dress. White he might have possible to much troubles, so better to convince him toward robes.  :)

2020 May 09 17:38:39
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_ Master Moritz should wear white clothes.  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ :)

2020 May 07 15:18:07
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 07 10:33:24
Johann: Householder clothes are really no more proper for Upasaka Khemadasa.... good to take him fear of the robes

2020 May 07 10:21:10
Khemakumara: Upāsikā

2020 May 07 10:19:33
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 May 07 06:02:32
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 07 05:46:38
Johann: Sadhu

2020 May 07 03:25:02
Khemakumara: May it be a path-and fruitful vesak Uposatha

2020 May 06 16:07:14
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 06 16:02:35
Johann: A blessed Vesaka Puja all, today and tomorrow, in reflection the goodness and qualities of the Sublime Buddha.

2020 May 04 21:25:10
Johann: followed by another overload by huawei-search engines... fixed

2020 May 04 20:31:45
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 04 20:25:53
Johann: A MS search engine (Bing) had overloaded the server capacity and might had caused the page not to be reached, but a cave-programmer quickly solved the issue, becoming aware of it. Sadhu

2020 May 03 21:13:46
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante Ariyadhammika _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 03 20:32:57
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 03 19:15:52
Johann: Sokh chomreoun, Nyom.

2020 May 03 15:01:43
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 May 03 12:53:08
Cheav Villa: Master Moritz _/\_

2020 May 03 12:07:17
Moritz: Bang Villa _/\_

2020 May 03 12:00:57
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 May 03 09:39:36
Johann: ...and the snake hunts the mice...

2020 May 03 09:11:20
Johann: Dwelling like Devas under Devas, peaceful, respectful, careful, harmless

2020 Apr 30 10:05:08
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Apr 29 21:15:43
Moritz: _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Apr 29 21:08:53
Johann: May all spend a meritful end of Sila-day, those who taking on it today, and maybe continue with those doing so tomorrow.

2020 Apr 29 20:09:39
Johann: Nyom Villa

2020 Apr 29 20:07:29
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 Apr 26 20:26:31
Johann: Nyom Moritz, Nyom Villa

2020 Apr 26 20:23:57
Cheav Villa: and Master Moritz _/\_

2020 Apr 26 20:23:33
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 Apr 26 19:56:30
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2020 Apr 26 19:56:25
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2020 Apr 26 08:18:19
Cheav Villa: _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2020 Apr 26 07:18:02
Johann: Ādīnava , អដីនវ, As one of ten perceptions: AN 10.60

2020 Apr 26 07:09:32
Johann: May Dukkha be visible for all, so to stay on the path  that leads beyond and liberation.

2020 Apr 25 16:57:34
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2020 Apr 25 15:54:00
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Author Topic: Why and how Mohayanas and "Buddhist" justify killing and stealing.  (Read 2340 times)

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Atma recently came to get known the "reddit-Buddhism " social network for hungry ghosts and there in this, like in most Buddhist forum the Moha-yana dominates. On how those "heroes" justify their ways of killing and stealing might be more clear if one reads their Suttas, lies and reply's on topics like euthanasia and dealing with Dhamma. This wired sect, calling themselves "Buddhists" is even more dangerous as a radical Taliban organization.

Quote from: deathnate4 on ratdit

    The Skill In Means ([An]Upayakausalya) Sutra, as translated by Mark Tatz, goes like this:

    Then the Lord [Buddha] again addressed the Bodhisattva Jnanottara: “Son of the family: Once a upon a time, long before the Thus-come-one, the Worthy, the fully perfected Buddha Dipamkara, there were five hundred merchants who set sail on the high seas in search of wealth. Among the company was a doer of dark deeds, a doer of evil deeds, a robber well-trained in the art of weaponry, who had come on board that very ship to attack them. He thought, “I will kill all these merchants when they have achieved their aims and done what they set out to do, take all possessions and go to Jambu Continent.”

    “Son of the family: then the merchants achieved their aims and set about to depart. No sooner had they done so, than that deceitful person thought: “Now I will kill all these merchants, take all their possessions and go to Jambu Continent. The time has come.” At the same time, among the company on board was a captain named Great Compassionate. While Captain Great Compassionate slept on one occasion, the deities who dwelt in that ocean showed him in a dream: ‘’’Among this ship’s company is a person named so and so, of such and such sort of physique, of such and such, garb, complex, and shape—a robber mischievous, a thief of others’ property. He is thinking,” I will kill all these merchants, take all their possessions and go to Jambu Continent.”

    To kill these merchants would create formidable evil karma for that person. Why so? These five hundred merchants are all progressing toward supreme, right and full awakening; they are each irreversible from awakening. If he should kill these Bodhisattvas, the fault—the obstacle caused by the deed—would cause him to burn in the great hells for as long as it take each one of these Bodhisattva to achieve supreme, right and full awakening, consecutively. Therefore, Captain, think of some skill in means to prevent this person from killing the five hundred merchants and going to the great hells because of the deed.’

    “Son of the family: Then the captain Great Compassionate awoke. He considered what means there might be to prevent that person from killing the five hundred merchants and going to the great hells. Seven days passed with a wind averse to sailing to Jambu Continent. Without wind during those seven days he plunged deep into thought, not speaking to anyone. “He thought, ‘There is no means to prevent this from slaying the merchants and going to the great hells but to kill him.’ “And he thought, ‘if I were to report this to the merchants, they would kill and slay him with angry thoughts and all go to the great hells themselves.’ “And he thought, ‘if I were to kill this person, I would likewise burn in the great hells for one hundred-thousand eons because of it. Yet I can bear to experience the pain of the great hells, that this person not slay these five hundred merchants and develop so much evil karma. I will kill this person myself.

    “Son of the family: Accordingly, the captain Great Compassionate protected those five hundred merchants and protected that person from going to the great hells, by deliberately stabbing and slaying that person who was a robber with a spear, with great compassion and skill in means. And all among the company achieved their aims and each went to his own city. Son of the family. At that time, in that life I was none other than the Captain Great Compassionate. Have no second thought or doubt on this point. The five hundred merchants on board the five hundred Bodhisattvas who are to niranize to supreme, right and full awakening in this auspicious eon.

    “Son of the family: For me, Samsara was curtailed for one hundred-thousand eons because of that skill in means and great compassion. And the robber died to be reborn in a world of paradise. The five hundred merchants on board are the hundred future Buddhas of the auspicious eon. Son of the family, what do you think of this? Can curtailing birth and death for one hundred-thousand eons with that skill in means and that great compassion with gnosis of skill in means be regarded as the Bodhisattva’s obstacle caused by past deeds? Do not view it in that way. That should be regarded as his very skill in means.”



Of course Atma got soon killed following the compassionate words of the top heroes and Bodhisattvas:

Quote from: Bodhisattva Zrxn
May the Light of Mahayana shine upon you and may you one day awaken bodhicitta and see that you are walking the Bodhisattva path. (Bodhisattva Zrxn)
 

Quote from: ??
Nagarjuna:

    O sublime, precious bodhicitta,

    May it arise in those in whom it has not arisen.

    May it never decline where it has arisen,

    But go on increasing further and further



On stealing from Buddha, Dhamma Sangha:

[–]clickstation

http://accesstoinsight.org :)

(Or to be more precise http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/index.html)


[–]Samana_Johann

Such is give, do never buy Dhamma or even steal, debbxi! Only in that way you could benefit. By intention, words and deeds.




[–]clickstationchan

To be fair, translators and publishers gotta eat, too.


[–]Samana_Johann

Foolish thought, to be straight forward. Not even the requirement to teach and actually (let me bet) you have never given food to any monk, have you ever given something?

Dhamma is not able to be carried by laypeople. That is impossible, and actually there is more destroyed as gained.

Maybe you like to start to learn about economy of gifts

A monk (a person) is not worthy of what he gives you back, such would stay in the world. That is because you have been introduced by dealers into the teachings, and as they deal (making a livelihood on Dhamma selling, monks as lay people), how could they teach different and just like the Buddha taught. If you are more a Tibetan, study the Bodhisattva vows and what it would cause to earn money in the name of the Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha.


   
One should not make an effort everywhere, should not be another's hireling, should not live dependent on another, should not go about as a trader in the Dhamma. Paṭisalla Sutta


There is no way to gain any from a buy of a Dhamma book, you might have entertainment, but you even increase "I can" and I am independent and wrong view. If we talk about the buyer.

Somebody who sells the Dhamma, is really a poor person. You can be sure, he will never have a happy life at the end. Its not possible to be the great giver, if living on the first floor. That is why Sila has much more value in this case. No need to give if not possible.

Atma gives it 10 year, if there is no change, and the Sangha is gone from this world. Never see it again for the most.

You will not easily get such straight forward words, so think about it. Its not for a bad.


[–]clickstation

Honestly, and no offense, I'm having a tough time understanding what you mean.

But one thing is clear: I'm not disparaging monks in any way. I'm just saying that "buying Dhamma" isn't always a bad thing, especially if it's simply a translation, where the translator's "Dhamma level" doesn't factor too much into it.

And I certainly can't agree that one can't benefit from the Dhamma if it's "bought."


[–]debbxi

...yea... and I wouldn't know how else to receive it at this point.


[–]Samana_Johann

Don't worry, Atma did not feel you offend consciously (but unknowingly, which is actually more dangerous, its not so that one knows without having be taught aside of some seldom Paccecabuddhas this days in this world, and they are not able to teach.) all, Mr/Mrs Clickstation.

    I'm just saying that "buying Dhamma" isn't always a bad thing, especially if it's simply a translation, where the translator's "Dhamma level" doesn't factor too much into it.

Its the fist time in 2500 years that Dhamma is sold. It is always a bad thing, not knowing is also akusala. That why you are taught, to make not the same mistake. Live your live and if you are inspired to give, give. If not not, not. No need to sell something what is not ones own. An Arahat would have the right, but he do it neither. That is Osho-Dhamma, what you costumers get served. Buddhas economy is beyond the world and there is no way to really misuse it without earning the fruits, sooner or later.

So when ever you enter, think about what you can give, not vici versa.


[–]clickstation

Well, I understand you better now, and you hold a good point.

Still, in my opinion, that's the ideal.. but not the bare minimum :)

Let's agree to disagree.


[–]clickstation

Well, I understand you better now, and you hold a good point.

Still, in my opinion, that's the ideal.. but not the bare minimum :)

Let's agree to disagree.



[–]Samana_Johann

No problem, Dhukka is "just", no need to go to a judge to come to the Buddha at least if came in contact one time.


[–]Fire_Elemental - vajrayana
   
If you are more a Tibetan, study the Bodhisattva vows and what it would cause to earn money in the name of the Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha.


Please don't disparage other Buddhist vehicles, schools, teachers, etc. here are /r/Buddhism.


[–]Samana_Johann

Who tells? Avannaraha Sutta: Dispraise . So is it yours? Better train your Bodhisattva Vows.

If that is not right, read and learn. First the shared Sutta. And then Root Bodhisattva Vows - A root downfall means a loss of the entire set of bodhisattva vows.

(2) Not sharing Dharma teachings or wealth# (3) Not listening to others' apologies or striking others (5) Taking offerings intended for the Triple Gem (6) Forsaking the holy Dharma (12) Turning others away from full enlightenment (13) Turning others away from their pratimoksha vows (we had even the mordering Boddhisattva this days...) (16) Accepting what has been stolen from the Triple Gem (17) Establishing unfair policies

And such is the most dangers, thinking on Buddhamind... (8) Committing any of the five heinous crimes

Very important and nobody cares! (11) Teaching voidness to those whose minds are untrained

These are your vows. The Buddha did not give such to laypeople, since they are not capable.

And who would you even know if not here or there a Bodhisattva is talking to you?

Vajarana is known to handle and sell the most of the Dhamma and make Business, live in dependency of a certain group. Not possible.

So we are right on the topic, and it is in regard of Buddha-Dhamma or is it a Tibetan forum?

Its absolutely good and proper if you see that as a heavy rebuke.


[–]Samana_Johann

...To continue maintaining and expanding our website requires 100,000 euros (US $150,000) a year. Berzin Archiv.

They do not really know what they vow, and think that a person, who have even not learned to great can be a Bodhisattva, you are cheating people and life from it, that's it. Classical Pyramid-business.




[–]Fire_Elemental vajrayana

/u/Samana_Johann, I did not post to open a conversation with you, I posted, as a moderator, to tell you the minimum standard of conduct to post on this board. If you continue to sow discord you will be banned. This is your last warning.



So such is neither Mahayana nor Bodhisattva Path, that is simply foolishness.
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Ein oder mehrer Beiträge wurden hier im Thema abgeschnitten und damit in neues Thema "Karma Yeshe Rabgye, helps you to kill your mammy and daddy! 100% Compassionated! " eröffnet. Bitte scheuen Sie nicht davor zurück, etwaigen Rat oder Kritik dazu mitzuteilen.  Viel Freude und Inspiration auch im neuen Thema. Anumodana!

One or more posts have been cut out of this topic here. A new topic, based on it, has been created as "Karma Yeshe Rabgye, helps you to kill your mammy and daddy! 100% Compassionated! " . Please do not hesitate to claim or give supporting hints.  Much joy and inspiration also in the new Topic. Anumodana!
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